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Hey all, mind giving my some thoughts on a liquid cooling set up? I haven't done a liquid setup before, so I'm looking for advice.

My parts - these are all from Frozen CPU, as I live about 20 minutes from their only location and would like to save on shipping . But, I am open to buying from anywhere legit if ittl save some cash...

Radiator - Black Ice GTX Xtreme 240 Radiator
Res/Pump - XSPC X20 200 Acrylic Pump / Reservoir Combo
CPU Block - EK Supreme HF Universal CPU Liquid Cooling Block
GPU Block - EK Radeon HD 5870 VGA Liquid Cooling Block
Tube - Feser Tube Active UV Hose - 1/2" ID
Juice - PrimoChill Pure Performance Coolant
Clamps - 3/4" OD Reusable Clamp
+ The proper number of 1/2 ID barbs (8)
I have a NZXT whisper case and my measurements show that the radiator will fit in the front where the 7 5.25" bays are, with one or *maybe* 2 bays still left available.
I have a 4 port fan controller already, as well as two 120mm 90cfm fans for the radiator.

My current setup is a Gigabyte 5870 and a AM3 hex core AMD.

From what I've read, my loop should go Radiator -> Pump -> Reservoir -> CPU -> GPU -> Radiator.

Thoughts? I feel like I'm paying too much, is that the case?
Edited by xMopx - 6/15/11 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by xMopx View Post
Hey all, mind giving my some thoughts on a liquid cooling set up? I haven't done a liquid setup before, so I'm looking for advice.

My parts - these are all from Frozen CPU, as I live about 20 minutes from their only location and would like to save on shipping . But, I am open to buying from anywhere legit if ittl save some cash...

Radiator - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/53...r_-_Black.html
Res/Pump - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/96...ck_Silver.html
CPU Block - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/85...2_AM2_AM3.html
GPU Block - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/97...talNickel.html
Tube - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/71...r_UV_Blue.html
Juice - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/65...tric_Blue.html
Clamps - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/22...ex_Tubing.html
+ The proper number of 1/2 ID barbs (8)
I have a NZXT whisper case and my measurements show that the radiator will fit in the front where the 7 5.25" bays are, with one or *maybe* 2 bays still left available.
I have a 4 port fan controller already, as well as two 120mm 90cfm fans for the radiator.

My current setup is a Gigabyte 5870 and a AM3 hex core AMD.

From what I've read, my loop should go Radiator -> Pump -> Reservoir -> CPU -> GPU -> Radiator.

Thoughts? I feel like I'm paying too much, is that the case?

For first-timers, get an XSPC Rasa Rx240 kit and save yourself the extra money for another upgrade. It should perform extremely close to the loop you spec'd but cost you less.

Only thing I would add to the Rasa kit is better tube (ie primochill) and better fans (ie yate loons).

For liquid, don't get dye/premixed liquids. Its more headaches and hassles than its worth the "look" factor. Just buy some cats or leds for color.

Use distilled water (which you can buy cheap at WalMart, $0.83) and add silver or a biocide/anticorrisve additive. Frozencpu should have these in stock.

-wermad

edit: if you are only doing a cpu, then the RS240 kit will still work great and cost you a bit less.
Edited by wermad - 6/14/11 at 8:35pm
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Originally Posted by xMopx View Post
From what I've read, my loop should go Radiator -> Pump -> Reservoir -> CPU -> GPU -> Radiator.
I'm pointing this out because wermad missed it. The order you listed is incorrect and won't work. The beginning of any loop is always Res/Pump-> everything else. The order after that doesn't matter as long as it's res then pump.
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With that kit, would it be advisable to throw in a GPU block as well? Getting the GPU in the loop is a must for my system, my cooler is fading fast.

I do like the look of the kit, thanks for the reply! I found it for approx $170, so that plus the $110 GPU block above makes for quite a bit cheaper then my original setup!


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I'm pointing this out because wermad missed it. The order you listed is incorrect and won't work. The beginning of any loop is always Res/Pump-> everything else. The order after that doesn't matter as long as it's res then pump.
Ah yeah that makes sense. A bit of an oversight on my part too, I have a combination reservoir/pump part in my list so I guess I meant to have a slash between pump and reservoir instead of an arrow.
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You are paying too much in my opinion.

I would just say get a XSPC RX240 kit, and like the user above, change the tubing, fans, and add a silver kill coil.
The parts you wanted included a slightly better CPU WB and radiator - but they are much pricier than the performance difference they give. The upgrade to a larger pump will help more than a better CPU WB and radiator.
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Originally Posted by JE Nightmare View Post
I'm pointing this out because wermad missed it. The order you listed is incorrect and won't work. The beginning of any loop is always Res/Pump-> everything else. The order after that doesn't matter as long as it's res then pump.
Since he spec'd and I recommended a res/pump combo, order still wouldn't matter. Thanks JE, missed that one

Quote:
Originally Posted by xMopx View Post
With that kit, would it be advisable to throw in a GPU block as well? Getting the GPU in the loop is a must for my system, my cooler is fading fast.

I do like the look of the kit, thanks for the reply! I found it for approx $170, so that plus the $110 GPU block above makes for quite a bit cheaper then my original setup!




Ah yeah that makes sense. A bit of an oversight on my part too, I have a combination reservoir/pump part in my list so I guess I meant to have a slash between pump and reservoir instead of an arrow.
The rasa kit is fully capable of incorporating a gpu block, it'll even do two . If you are throwing in the gpu, go for the RX240 kit instead.
Edited by wermad - 6/14/11 at 8:48pm
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That pump is a little weak for a CPU - GPU setup, you would be better off with something like a Jingway 1200 rebrand (EK DCP 4.0, DD CPX-Pro) which will give decent performance and quiet operation at a low cost. Alternatively you can look at the Liang pumps (D5 or DDC), but they tend to be a bit more costly.

Ditch the coolant, get something like a KillCoil or some PT Nuke and use that with distilled water from the grocery store.

EK are currently having a lot of problems with their nickel plating process, I would re think the GPU block. The copper EK blocks are still fine, but I would avoid the nickel ones for now. See Skinnee's GTX480 block test for a few ideas as to what is good. I know they are for a different card but it will at least give you some idea.

A 240 rad will cope with high speed fans, and that rad loves high speed. It will be noisy though, if you can I would consider adding some more rad space, and extra 120 would go a long way to helping your temps. You can usually fit one on the 120mm exhaust fan near the CPU, but it depends on the case.

Loop order, other than res > pump (never the other way round) is generally unimportant. Go with the order that gives you the cleanest setup with the least tubing and bends.



Edit:

Not trying to be nasty, but just for our benefit it is easier if you describe the component as well as it saves having to click on the links and open a bunch of tabs. Something like:

CPU Block - EK supreme HF Copper / Acetal - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/85...2_AM2_AM3.html

Or, even better:

CPU Block - EK Supreme HF Copper / Acetal

To do ^ this ^ you type; [ u r l = " h t t p : / / copy - paste link here " ]Type description here [ / u r l ]

Without spaces. Took me a while to learn that.
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post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by GingerJohn View Post
That pump is a little weak for a CPU - GPU setup, you would be better off with something like a Jingway 1200 rebrand (EK DCP 4.0, DD CPX-Pro) which will give decent performance and quiet operation at a low cost. Alternatively you can look at the Liang pumps (D5 or DDC), but they tend to be a bit more costly.

Ditch the coolant, get something like a KillCoil or some PT Nuke and use that with distilled water from the grocery store.

EK are currently having a lot of problems with their nickel plating process, I would re think the GPU block. The copper EK blocks are still fine, but I would avoid the nickel ones for now. See Skinnee's GTX480 block test for a few ideas as to what is good. I know they are for a different card but it will at least give you some idea.

A 240 rad will cope with high speed fans, and that rad loves high speed. It will be noisy though, if you can I would consider adding some more rad space, and extra 120 would go a long way to helping your temps. You can usually fit one on the 120mm exhaust fan near the CPU, but it depends on the case.

Loop order, other than res > pump (never the other way round) is generally unimportant. Go with the order that gives you the cleanest setup with the least tubing and bends.



Edit:

Not trying to be nasty, but just for our benefit it is easier if you describe the component as well as it saves having to click on the links and open a bunch of tabs. Something like:

CPU Block - EK supreme HF Copper / Acetal - http://www.frozencpu.com/products/85...2_AM2_AM3.html

Or, even better:

CPU Block - EK Supreme HF Copper / Acetal

To do ^ this ^ you type; [ u r l = " h t t p : / / copy - paste link here " ]Type description here [ / u r l ]

Without spaces. Took me a while to learn that.
Better yet op, add the items you are interested in the frozencpu cart. Take a screen shot of your final "cart list", upload the pic, post it. Makes it easier for you instead of typing a long list and linking each item.

edit: here's one I did through ppcs. Sorry about the quality, I can only use ocn pic uploader while at work

Edited by wermad - 6/14/11 at 10:47pm
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Ahh I'll keep that in mind.

Last question, I believe: Do full coverage gpu blocks offer any advantage over the chip-only ones?

Full Cover vs Chip Only?

I like the look (and price) of the chip only sort. I have a 5870, FYI. That block lists 4870 as compatible but nothing newer, but the mounts are identical IIRC?
Edited by xMopx - 6/15/11 at 2:50pm
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Might want to add a 360 rad rather than 240 or use both a 240 and 120 rad
    
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