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That's funny because I could have swore you got our 1090T soon after I got my i5-2500k.

Cost is important if you don't have a lot of income, however some times it gets blown out of proportion.

Like when its $200 vs $226, yes it costs less but one is actually quite a bit faster than the other.

Or when you attempt to compare mobos and their features, typically the difference between the two is only a few dollars, so in the end we're talking maybe $50-$75 total build difference since those are the only two parts that need to really differ.


I could have spent a lot more on my system, I tried very hard to locate deals and purchase things below retail. I'm happy with my performance/heat removal from my room considering how much I spent. Yeah there are a ton of systems out there that will crush mine with ease. Thats a given, however everyone has different needs and wants and incomes to use. In the end all that matters is getting the best performance for your dollar, no matter how much or how little you have.

If my goals were different I could have just as easily built an entirely different system, however my goals were lofty for my expense budget, and were actually impossible until the i5-2500k showed up in this price range. Sooner or later though thats going to change, no matter how good something starts out something else always shows up as better and more cost effective.
    
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@bassplayer

I actually did what you said (taking higher number from either 2600k / 980x) but made
a typo by writing combined. the scores are not combination of intel chips they are the highest scores in each test vs Thuban..
post #33 of 64
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@bassplayer

I actually did what you said (taking higher number from either 2600k / 980x) but made
a typo by writing combined. the scores are not combination of intel chips they are the highest scores in each test vs Thuban..
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Dear John,

Thanks for your response. The important fact is that 2600k is being sold for 315usd which is able to outperform 990x in many occasions. We have heard AMD confirmed that highest model of BD is going to be 320usd which means it is competitive with 2600k hence 990x or even better then both since AMD offers better price/performance in both CPU & GPU end. I may have answered my own question but you know people are dying to get some numbers from AMD which hardly happens as AMD is know to keep their secrets well

Also today Rick Bergman from your company said in the Fusion Developers conference that TRINITY will be %50faster than Llano and more importantly Cayman GPU will be in the APU .. Thats what i call impressive...

Finally i believe that the you and your team at AMD is trying hard to beat Xeon E7-8870 with high end part of Interlagos. Is 16core opteraton positioned against E7-8870 like fx8xxx is positioned against 2600k ?

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Whemian
The E7 parts are positioned against itanium. I will let the 2 sides of their company battle that one out.
post #35 of 64
Here's a quick Cinebench chart:



You can see that the higher-end Phenom X6's already beat a 2500k when both are stock.

If we assume Bulldozer will be faster than this, what would the scores be? 7? 8? 9? 10.x even?

If only games were written properly to take advantage of multiple cores, as Cinebench is...Bulldozer would be a monster. Heck, even the Phenom X6 would be a decent gaming machine with 6 full cores...
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Here's a quick Cinebench chart:



You can see that the higher-end Phenom X6's already beat a 2500k when both are stock.

If we assume Bulldozer will be faster than this, what would the scores be? 7? 8? 9? 10.x even?

If only games were written properly to take advantage of multiple cores, as Cinebench is...Bulldozer would be a monster. Heck, even the Phenom X6 would be a decent gaming machine with 6 full cores...
But, unfortunately, they are not written that way. And they will continue to not be written that way as consoles continue to refresh with weak, last-gen parts.

Regardless of whether the benchmark numbers out today are indicative of the retail performance, if AMD is pricing their top of the line 8-core BD against Intel's top of the line 4-core SB, that tells you that *although the FX-8130P may best the 2600K in some tests (esp. multi-threaded like Cinebench), it WILL NOT outdo it in IPC/single-threaded performance.*

Basically, what I'm figuring is that IF AMD had a chip that they knew would spank the 2600K, they wouldn't be pricing it at the same price point when it features 4 additional "real" cores on top of the 2600K.
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Well, considering that it's a whole different architecture, it is a moot point. No doubt it will do somethings faster/better, and other things not as well. It will still be an improvement over their current lineup, which really is the most important thing--not necessarily in destroying the intel offerings.
    
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Is it an improvement over current designs?

I've yet to see the per core performance, so it remains a question mark on BD.
    
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Is it an improvement over current designs?

I've yet to see the per core performance, so it remains a question mark on BD.
Would AMD be investing in developing and producing it if it weren't?
    
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Would adding two additional cores with slightly reduced or identical per core performance not equate into higher multithreading performance?
    
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