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Balla, you should add $100 next to Windows 7 64-bit.
You are making look like you didn't pay for it
post #42 of 64
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Would adding two additional cores with slightly reduced or identical per core performance not equate into higher multithreading performance?
Touche. But it's not just adding additional cores, it's a different architecture, a small bit we've already seen benchmarks on (Zacate), and it has gains in some areas, and still falls a little behind in others, yet it's still advancement.
    
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Here's a quick Cinebench chart:



You can see that the higher-end Phenom X6's already beat a 2500k when both are stock.

If we assume Bulldozer will be faster than this, what would the scores be? 7? 8? 9? 10.x even?

If only games were written properly to take advantage of multiple cores, as Cinebench is...Bulldozer would be a monster. Heck, even the Phenom X6 would be a decent gaming machine with 6 full cores...
What the...I get a 5.63 at stock with my 1090T.
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Balla, you should add $100 next to Windows 7 64-bit.
You are making look like you didn't pay for it
He probably didn't? I only paid $80 for mine.
But c'mon it's only $100,and a critical part of a rig.
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post #44 of 64
In my opinion, all this discussion is irrelevant at this moment in time since all we have on hand is speculation.

Until there are chips to review, examine, overclock, and evaluate, anything anybody not affiliated with AMD says is largely moot. The proof will be in the pudding; we just all have to wait until AMD is done baking it and serves it.

Opinions are fine, but we all must be careful to not let discussions based just on opinions and not enough established facts get too passionate and heated.

Carry on, gentlemen.
    
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In my opinion, all this discussion is irrelevant at this moment in time since all we have on hand is speculation.

Until there are chips to review, examine, overclock, and evaluate, anything anybody not affiliated with AMD says is largely moot. The proof will be in the pudding; we just all have to wait until AMD is done baking it and serves it.

Opinions are fine, but we all must be careful to not let discussions based just on opinions and not enough established facts get too passionate and heated.

Carry on, gentlemen.
mmm...pudding...
    
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I agree with a couple of the previous comments. I don't care if my 189 dollar processor doesn't "compete" with a 450 or a 500 dollar processor... and I care even less if it can't compete with a 999 dollar processor. For what I do - I prefer more cores. I also made a slightly moral decision when I switched from Intel to AMD. I'm familiar with Intel's history of bribery and market 'cheating' to get ahead, and I'd rather support AMD. Is AMD a completely "clean" company? Probably not... But I still am voting with my dollars, and even if Bulldozer turns out to be 20% better than Thuban, my heart won't be broken~
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According to this up to 4 cores (of the 8 core BD version) can be boosted up to 1Ghz above base frequency! (and all cores to smaller amount):

http://wccftech.com/2011/06/15/amd-b...ore-frequency/

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I agree with a couple of the previous comments. I don't care if my 189 dollar processor doesn't "compete" with a 450 or a 500 dollar processor... and I care even less if it can't compete with a 999 dollar processor. For what I do - I prefer more cores. I also made a slightly moral decision when I switched from Intel to AMD. I'm familiar with Intel's history of bribery and market 'cheating' to get ahead, and I'd rather support AMD. Is AMD a completely "clean" company? Probably not... But I still am voting with my dollars, and even if Bulldozer turns out to be 20% better than Thuban, my heart won't be broken~
The 1090T is a $180 processor only because Intel has better performing processors at every level above that price point.

Last year the 1090T was $300. That didn't stick, so they reduced it. When I got my 1090T it was all the way down to $230. When I got my i5-2500k it was still $230.

The 1090T is at that price because AMD knows its not worth $230 with the i5-2500k there.

And your x6 is slower than an i5-2500k when overclocking is taken into consideration. In everything - from multitasking to gaming, Thuban is slower than Intels $226 cpu, which is why the 1090T isn't still $300, or $250, $230, or $200, or whatever AMD decided to further deplete your resale value to.

Your concern shouldn't be that AMD doesn't have anything to offer over $200 currently, its that at $200 its still not a good purchase.

I don't care for fans of one company or the other. The truth is both companies being competitive helps us. The price decline of the 1090T is a perfect example of Intel helping AMD users by making AMD products cheaper due to their lack of actual performance. Without Intel AMD prices would skyrocket, without AMD Intels would do the same.

Its like a dead horse around here, I just can't believe there is anything left to it. Every time I hear it I see an image in my head, of Intel being the Sith and AMD being Jedi. So I made a picture to help illustrate my mental image.

    
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...its that at $200 its still not a good purchase.
I humbly disagree. I think its a good purchase at 200. I think its an even better purchase at the 175 I paid for it (the 1100T not the 1090T). I find it disconcerting you make the claim that anyone making an AMD purchase is making a 'bad' (as in "not a good", to avoid putting words in your proverbial mouth) purchase. Clearly many others see it this way as well - else these processors wouldn't sell - not to mention there wouldn't be as many posts about and fans of the products. Such overarching generalizations always lead to trouble~

To each their own~

PS: Nice picture -- and thanks for the thoughtful comments. Extra dialog is always a welcome addition to any topic, at least to me it is...
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Some people are motivated by things other than price/performance and the bottom line, I'm not one of those people.

People do a lot of things and can rationalize even more, I don't think that is the best place to go here.

I view it like this... I game, so I need fast cores, I don't need a lot of them though because overall most games don't use many cores.

Sometimes I encode, but not very often, I pretty much never render anything ever except cinebench. More often than not I find myself at idle, browsing the web, reading articles, reading guides, fixing computer parts... Nothing very stressful.

I have three video cards, and play at 1080p with two side monitors for system information, game guides, music lists, movies, and whatever else comes to mind. I download a lot of files, I use 7zip quite a bit during the day. But mostly I browse and game.


So we have a moderate to low end res at 1080p, and a decent amount of graphical power for the res size. I therefore need a chip that is fast in per core performance, because not all games use 4 cores, let alone more than that. I also need something that is quick, yet doesn't use a lot of power. I need more than two cores though, because many apps I use take advantage of more than two. Often they'll use more than 6, however not all do. So in deciding which chip is best for me I look at these key areas for my needs:

Power consumption (because a cheaper chip may cost more in the long run):



The next thing I look at is gaming:

First I go to SCII, because its a game I play, and its only dual threaded. It gives me a good idea of the actual performance I'll see compared to other chips in the vast majority of the market since most games out there are still dual threaded:



I don't just look there though, I also look at multithreaded games, because they're the future.



From there I move on to encoding, I currently have a p67 board so I don't have the glory that is quick sync, but it is something I am looking into along with a Agility 3 60gb SSD sometime before next year





After that its time to check to see what kind of wait time I'll be expecting unzipping large 12GB files.



Then of course overclocking plays a huge role in my selection, but also cost, cost is the deciding factor. If I can't afford it, I can't afford it.

If I swapped my i5-2500k for a 1090T, and my Asus pro for a Gigabyte UD5 my overall cost for this system would be pretty much exactly the same. However looking at the charts, and comparing 700-800Mhz avg CPU overclock for the 1100T vs a 1700+MHz cpu overclock for the i5-2500k the results are heavily favored for one side.


Now obviously I don't expect anyone here to read this or care, people have other reasons for their choices than my own, as well as other needs. However my goal isn't to convert anyone here from AMD to Intel, but to merely inform. I try to be as unbiased as I can, recommending AMD when the usage and gpu power doesn't warrant SB, trying to provide proof of my claims, and the reasoning behind them. All that said there are still a lot of people who will look at the same thing I see and recommend a 1090T for system with two 6990s, or quad SLI 580s. Or even two high end CF/SLI. There is really no reason to do that. People don't spend $700+ on gpus for bottlenecks, they do it for the sheer performance of it. They don't care about refresh rates, or what you believe the eye can see. They're spending $700+ on high performance equipment, why would you recommend a budget cpu?

Done!
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