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Hello all. After lurking around these forums for the longest time I decided that it was time I made an account and asked a question that's killing me.

As the title suggest, it's that time of the year when I decide to upgrade my hardware. However I have a major dilemma should I pick this card

Gigabyte GTX 560TI SOC



OR THIS ONE

EVGA GTX 570 Superclocked


The main difference between the two is obvious: price. I'm planning on gaming in 1080p. These are the specs for the rest of my computer:

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And here's my questions:

1. How much room is there left on the 950mhz clocked GTX 560TI for overclocking? I'm not planning to overclock JUST yet but might want to in the future.
2. Is the $100 premium for the GTX 570 justified since I'm not planning on playing at 1600p anytime soon (read: not in the next 2-3 years for sure).
3. How bad is this VRM problem I've read about with GTX 570s? Can it kill my stock overclocked card? I know EVGA offers a lifetime warranty but I need to make sure if it's safe to overclock the card at all.
4. Has anything changed/is different in the design of the EVGA GTX 570 by comparison to the reference card? I read on these forums that EVGA was prepping a 6 phase VRM for their GTX 570's and I also so a picture of a SuperClocked 570 with 6 phases but I can't tell if they're real or bogus.

I know most first posts on a forum are "Hi my name is..." so hopefully I'm not being *that* big of an ass for asking this in my first post but I could really use some help. Thanks!

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1. How much room is there left on the 950mhz clocked GTX 560TI for overclocking? I'm not planning to overclock JUST yet but might want to in the future.
950mhz is high enough,you wont see big differences if you overlock it higher but this specific model is capable to rich 1000-1050mhz and be stable.

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2. Is the $100 premium for the GTX 570 justified since I'm not planning on playing at 1600p anytime soon (read: not in the next 2-3 years for sure).
For your system the 570 gtx should be better.The 560 ti is good too but if you plan to keep this card for 2-3 years take the 570 gtx and overlock it.

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3. How bad is this VRM problem I've read about with GTX 570s? Can it kill my stock overclocked card? I know EVGA offers a lifetime warranty but I need to make sure if it's safe to overclock the card at all.
You can oc the 570 without any worries to 850-900 mhz but i recommend this model .

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4. Has anything changed/is different in the design of the EVGA GTX 570 by comparison to the reference card? I read on these forums that EVGA was prepping a 6 phase VRM for their GTX 570's and I also so a picture of a SuperClocked 570 with 6 phases but I can't tell if they're real or bogus.
Dunno about that but i dont believe it matters

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In my opinion the biggest difference between the 570 and the 560ti isn't the additional GPU processing power you get from the 570 but is actually the additional VRAM. The additional VRAM (.25Gb) will make the card slightly more relevant in the future, years down the line. Even some games today will use more than 1Gb of VRAM at 1080p. I would recommend the 560ti if you plan on keeping the card for less than about 18-24 months and the 570 if more than about 18 months, just due to it's additional VRAM allowing playability for more games in the future. You should know though that the 560ti is an excellent value today, I would say it offers a better price/performance today than the 570 does but if you plan on keeping the card a long time you will be glad you paid the extra for the 570.

The 570 recommended above is actually a reference design PCb so it will have the same VRM problems that other 570s do, the only 570s available in the US that have a strong VRM design that I am aware of are the Asus DCII, the MSI TFIII, and the Palit Sonic / Platinum. The 560ti should not have any such issues to be concerned about.

I believe I answered questions #2&3, CalaQuendiR is right on in his answer to #1 you can expect 1000Mhz or even a little higher to be possible BUT NOT GUARANTEED, you could be unlucky and not be able to get any higher than the 950Mhz it comes out of the box at although that would be unlikely. Question #4 I mentioned the cards I am aware of that have the strong VRM design, I have heard about an EVGA one but I don't believe it is available, and there is no reason to wait for that over the Asus or MSI, they are both excellent cards with good warranties.

Welcome to OCN, and good luck making your decision.
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Thanks for the quick answers and sorry for the late response. Juano, thanks for pointing out the non-reference 570s that helped a lot
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950mhz is high enough,you wont see big differences if you overlock it higher but this specific model is capable to rich 1000-1050mhz and be stable.

For your system the 570 gtx should be better.The 560 ti is good too but if you plan to keep this card for 2-3 years take the 570 gtx and overlock it.

You can oc the 570 without any worries to 850-900 mhz but i recommend this model Amazon.com: MSI nVidia GeForce GTX570 Twin Frozr II OC 1280MB DDR5 2DVI/Mini HDMI PCI-Express Video Card N570GTX TWIN FROZR II/OC: Electronics.

Dunno about that but i don't believe it matters

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I'll second this motion if it helps you realize he's right. Both are great cards but if you can afford it, please by all means GTX 570. It's about 15% less performance than a GTX 580 at about only 70% of the cost.

Over clocked the 580 does get higher percentages than over clocked 570, even non-reference, and end result is 20-25% less performance at about 70% cost at the end of the OCN day.

You'll be enjoying that card 2 years maxed gaming and I'm speculating but may have to turn down some AA eye candy on that third year perhaps. Depends on the gaming industry and if they want to push the envelope. Gaming usually only goes as far as the majority of people's video cards. They don't want to alienate those with less performance cards and leave money on the gaming table they could have made.

Edited to add: P.S. Add your system specs in Bio "edit system" so others can see what your sporting when answering your questions you post. Helps us help you.
     
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You should know that the SOC products are high-end, with reworked PCB, best components, etc etc.

I'm very satisfied of my GTX 470 SOC
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Except the Gigabyte 560 Ti SOC are riddled with problems. It is a draw of your luck but I had to return two in a row within 3 wks. Now I'm waiting for my Asus GTX 570 DCU II based on juano's recommendation

http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/1047...tx-560-ti.html
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In my opinion the biggest difference between the 570 and the 560ti isn't the additional GPU processing power you get from the 570 but is actually the additional VRAM. The additional VRAM (.25Gb) will make the card slightly more relevant in the future, years down the line. Even some games today will use more than 1Gb of VRAM at 1080p. I would recommend the 560ti if you plan on keeping the card for less than about 18-24 months and the 570 if more than about 18 months, just due to it's additional VRAM allowing playability for more games in the future.
Thats a good point if playing at modest resolutions.
The problem is, the GTX 560Ti runs of out power.
Even in SLi it can't handle games at 1600P very well...some unplayable the FPS is so low.

I plan on getting a 1600P monitor soon....forget a couple years a GTX 560Ti wouldn't be enough for me now. While a GTX 560Ti is a good buy for most people, it comes down to your gaming expectations for performance and what you will want.
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