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Funny how the EA loyalists forget you lose all your games if you get banned from their forums.
You could just simply learn how to conduct yourself in an appropiate manner, that shouldn't be too hard to do.

Also that bug was fixed as far as I know.
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Funny thing I have a theory of what rule they broke.

Crysis 2 is the only game ON STEAM, that sells it's DLC In Game. I think this is a way of not having to actually put up the DLC on Steam, and pay valve to host it. And I think maybe Valve didn't like this.

Just a theory.....
I'm not sure how true it is that Crysis 2 is the only game that sells DLC in-game (Guild Wars has in-game links/an in-game store for the optional DLC stuff, and as far as I know only the game and its expansions are available through Steam, so it's likely more complex than "you have to sell your DLC through Steam too") but the basic theory seems valid. It's entirely possible that EA made a business decision (in-game DLC sales) as a way to maximize revenue. Steam/Valve wanted, quite logically, to avoid being cut out of that revenue stream, and adjusted their rules to prevent it happening on the service in the future, and to try to bring EA in line on the issue. When EA wouldn't play ball (a decision I wouldn't have made, but their motivations are entirely understandable) the games were removed from Steam.

Nobody's a bad guy here, once again it's just business. So crowing about Valve/EA haters/fanboys can (and should) cease. In all likelihood there's nothing behind the curtain but two large companies attempting (and failing, apparently) to work out a business deal.
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I'm not sure how true it is that Crysis 2 is the only game that sells DLC in-game (Guild Wars has in-game links/an in-game store for the optional DLC stuff, and as far as I know only the game and its expansions are available through Steam, so it's likely more complex than "you have to sell your DLC through Steam too") but the basic theory seems valid. It's entirely possible that EA made a business decision (in-game DLC sales) as a way to maximize revenue. Steam/Valve wanted, quite logically, to avoid being cut out of that revenue stream, and adjusted their rules to prevent it happening on the service in the future, and to try to bring EA in line on the issue. When EA wouldn't play ball (a decision I wouldn't have made, but their motivations are entirely understandable) the games were removed from Steam.

Nobody's a bad guy here, once again it's just business. So crowing about Valve/EA haters/fanboys can (and should) cease. In all likelihood there's nothing behind the curtain but two large companies attempting (and failing, apparently) to work out a business deal.
Exactly. And should have said the only game that sells it's DLC in game, that "I have ever seen". Most games sell DLC On Steam's Storefront. But again, it is just business.
    
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Exactly. And should have said the only game that sells it's DLC in game, that "I have ever seen". Most games sell DLC On Steam's Storefront. But again, it is just business.
That was the case until they added free to play games, Steam worked out a deal with them so that people who play from steam need to buy the items from steam. Which is what caused crysis 2 to get removed, because they changed the rules, and because crysis 2 DLC was sold in game, it wasnt allowed. This wasnt a problem because the first DLC was out prior to the new rules, and the new DLC just came out and steam said uh oh, you gotta give us money. EA said no.


End result, Steam is trying to play the big dog card and push publishers and dev studios into DLC deals that they should not be forced into. Which is why we wont be seeing Battlefield 3 and ME3 on Steam. I'm sure DLC will be sold in game for those games, and Steam will want DLC sold in the steam store instead.

Steams greed is hurting their customers.
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I smell a troll in this thread..............Way to stay on topic bud.
Still true.
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What exactly does Valve gain by removing content, I dont believe it.
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I guess Steam requires being the sole Digital Distributor now?

EA I still <3 you.

Darn you Steam, now I can't get Crysis 2 for $20, I bought Crysis and Crysis Warhead in combo for $15.
This sounds BS. There are a plethora of games sold on steam that you can buy elsewhere.
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What exactly does Valve gain by removing content, I dont believe it.
Nothing, but they do get a lot by strong-arming anyone who wants to use their service into giving them a cut of DLC.

Though, do we yet have confirmation that's what's happening?
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That was the case until they added free to play games, Steam worked out a deal with them so that people who play from steam need to buy the items from steam. Which is what caused crysis 2 to get removed, because they changed the rules, and because crysis 2 DLC was sold in game, it wasnt allowed. This wasnt a problem because the first DLC was out prior to the new rules, and the new DLC just came out and steam said uh oh, you gotta give us money. EA said no.


End result, Steam is trying to play the big dog card and push publishers and dev studios into DLC deals that they should not be forced into. Which is why we wont be seeing Battlefield 3 and ME3 on Steam. I'm sure DLC will be sold in game for those games, and Steam will want DLC sold in the steam store instead.

Steams greed is hurting their customers.
Why shouldn't Steam push developers/publishers toward their DLC deal? There's nothing ethically wrong in demanding that a company that wishes to distribute a game on their service also distribute DLC for that game through Steam, nor is it wrong to do so from a business standpoint.

And why is it greed (with all the negativity that word implies) when Steam wants a cut of DLC, but not when a company wants to cut Steam out of the revenue loop on DLC? You could just as easily say that EA's "greed" in refusing to let distributors have a cut of DLC profits is hurting their customers by restricting their choice of distributors.

Bottom line, two companies made different, but conflicting decisions on ways to maximize their revenue. They couldn't resolve the conflict, and so they could no longer work together as they once had. Does it stink? Sure, but there's no right or wrong to be declared, it's just a business transaction.
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Why shouldn't Steam push developers/publishers toward their DLC deal? There's nothing ethically wrong in demanding that a company that wishes to distribute a game on their service also distribute DLC for that game through Steam, nor is it wrong to do so from a business standpoint.

And why is it greed (with all the negativity that word implies) when Steam wants a cut of DLC, but not when a company wants to cut Steam out of the revenue loop on DLC? You could just as easily say that EA's "greed" in refusing to let distributors have a cut of DLC profits is hurting their customers by restricting their choice of distributors.

Bottom line, two companies made different, but conflicting decisions on ways to maximize their revenue. They couldn't resolve the conflict, and so they could no longer work together as they once had. Does it stink? Sure, but there's no right or wrong to be declared, it's just a business transaction.
Its greed when not even any physical retailer is trying to do it, nor are any other online retailer trying to do it. You dont see best buy, amazon, gamestop all forcing EA into giving them a cut of the DLC.

This is steam trying to strong arm Publishers into it. Because they feel they are in the position to do it. If no one else has this policy, why should steam. obviously the policy is in steams favor, more money for them, but it also harms steams consumers, when steam was unable to strong arm the publisher into a deal.

All other retailers have the same policy, yet steam feels its big and important enough to step out of line and demand more than the others do.
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