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Originally Posted by Xeio View Post
Nothing, but they do get a lot by strong-arming anyone who wants to use their service into giving them a cut of DLC.

Though, do we yet have confirmation that's what's happening?
No, we're debating on a largely hypothetical basis.

And "strong-arm"? Really? It's not like they told EA they'd break kneecaps if they didn't get a cut of DLC sales.
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Nothing, but they do get a lot by strong-arming anyone who wants to use their service into giving them a cut of DLC.

Though, do we yet have confirmation that's what's happening?
If the content is gone then its kinda hard to strong arm.
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I smell a troll in this thread..............Way to stay on topic bud.
He kind of has a point though. I'd never post any of my opinions on any game on EA forums... I would be afraid to use it infact incase an admin reads my opinion in an odd way and decides to ban me from playing whichever game.

I mean I've never been banned from a forum ever. But to get banned from using a game for objectively giving an opinion on one of their products?
post #154 of 236
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And "strong-arm"? Really? It's not like they told EA they'd break kneecaps if they didn't get a cut of DLC sales.
Something like "If you don't give us a cut of DLC sold in-game we don't sell your game on our system, which controls an inordinate market share of digital distribution" couldn't be considered strong-arm tactics? Though looking at current use and dictionary definitions is a little weird, because "strong-arm tactics" don't necessarily involve physical force...
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Its greed when not even any physical retailer is trying to do it, nor are any other online retailer trying to do it. You dont see best buy, amazon, gamestop all forcing EA into giving them a cut of the DLC.

This is steam trying to strong arm Publishers into it. Because they feel they are in the position to do it. If no one else has this policy, why should steam. obviously the policy is in steams favor, more money for them, but it also harms steams consumers, when steam was unable to strong arm the publisher into a deal.

All other retailers have the same policy, yet steam feels its big and important enough to step out of line and demand more than the others do.
Physical retailers don't even enter into the equation, as the logistics of somehow offering DLC through one are ridiculous. Physical retailers don't demand a way to sell DLC because the idea is pretty unworkable, and even if it weren't few people would buy their DLC at Gamestop when they could just as easily buy it from their PC/Console.

And talking about Steam's decision in the context of other retailer's policies is virtually meaningless. Of course Steam will make a different decision than other retailers, they're a different company. Steam using their commanding market position to demand a share of the DLC from games they're selling on their service isn't a strong-arm, it's a business decision. I can guarantee you that D2D wouldn't just go "yeah, sure, do whatever you like with DLC" if EA were making a hojillion dollars selling games through their service.

Obviously this decision hasn't worked out the way Steam or EA would want (you'll never convince me that these games being unavailable on Steam isn't going to cost EA revenue) but that doesn't make either company greedy or evil, it just makes them companies.
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Something like "If you don't give us a cut of DLC sold in-game we don't sell your game on our system, which controls an inordinate market share of digital distribution" couldn't be considered strong-arm tactics? Though looking at current use and dictionary definitions is a little weird, because "strong-arm tactics" don't necessarily involve physical force...
I understood your intent, but strong-arm implies unethical or unlawful coercion, and telling someone that they can't do business with you if they won't follow the terms you set out isn't coercion, it's just a contract.

The fact that Steam uses its dominant position to demand more favorable terms isn't wrong, it's just business. Expecting Steam to demand nothing more from publishers than D2D would is unreasonable. Being distributed through Steam is more valuable, so companies should be prepared to pay a premium for it. If they aren't willing to pay that premium, then life goes on and you can't buy Crysis 2 on Steam, which isn't great, but it's also not wrong on Steam or EA's part.
post #157 of 236
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Originally Posted by Xeio View Post
Something like "If you don't give us a cut of DLC sold in-game we don't sell your game on our system, which controls an inordinate market share of digital distribution" couldn't be considered strong-arm tactics? Though looking at current use and dictionary definitions is a little weird, because "strong-arm tactics" don't necessarily involve physical force...
This is not "strong arm tactics".

This is business. EA has cut off their nose to spite their own face. I would have bought Crysis 2 in the first Steam sale on the product. Now, I'll probably never play the game because I'm not willing to give Origin a shot due to issues I've seen posted in this very thread. If I do end up with the game it will probably be via an Amazon purchase.

There are hundreds of games out there and for me, Steam is a convenient platform for my game purchases. I'm a casual gamer and don't feel the need to absolutely have any given title. I do buy games outside Steam, but I have more titles through Steam than not.
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This is not "strong arm tactics".

This is business. EA has cut off their nose to spite their own face. I would have bought Crysis 2 in the first Steam sale on the product. Now, I'll probably never play the game because I'm not willing to give Origin a shot due to issues I've seen posted in this very thread. If I do end up with the game it will probably be via an Amazon purchase.

There are hundreds of games out there and for me, Steam is a convenient platform for my game purchases. I'm a casual gamer and don't feel the need to absolutely have any given title. I do buy games outside Steam, but I have more titles through Steam than not.
if you buy Crysis 2 from Amazon... EA still got their cut.
so they didn't really do anything to spite themselves.

and again... EA didn't do anything... Steam did.
    
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if you buy Crysis 2 from Amazon... EA still got their cut.
so they didn't really do anything to spite themselves.

and again... EA didn't do anything... Steam did.
All Steam is doing is leveraging their market position to insure they get their cut on all aspects of a game.

And the likelihood that I'lll make an Amazon purchase for Crysis 2 is markedly lower than the chance that I'd have made a Steam purchase of Crysis 2. The convenience of Steam drives my gaming purchase far more than any availability on Amazon. The vast maority of my Amazon purchases are for Kindle versions of novels. The only other purchases I've made latelya re for computer parts where I can get the cheapest price for a given product from Amazon.

Will I make a Crysis 2 purchase from Amazon some day?

Maybe.

Would I have made a Crysis 2 purchase from Steam?

Probably.

Thus, EA has cut off its own nose to spite its face as casual gamers who utilize Steam for the majority of their purchases have just dropped the likelihood of purchasing EA games that are unavailable on Steam.

It was a business decision by both corporations. Long term, market position will usually determine which corporation has made the correct decision. Odds are, Steam leveraging their market position to dictate terms will end up making Steam's decision the better of the two corporations. This happens all the time in the corporate world and it's less likely that EA's choice in this matter will end up being the more profitable decision given past performances in similar corporate decisions.

Those in the dominant market position are in a better position to dictate terms. Steams market dominance makes it the 800 pound gorilla and EA's decision seems more ego driven than a properly thought out business decision the more one thinks about it.

And make no mistake about it, the current position of both companies involved business decisions by both companies. This is not driven by a single company. There are no "good guys" or "bad guys" in this thing. There are only businesses that will end up either driving more profits or lowering expectations based upon these decisions. It is possible for both companies to come out ahead and it is possible for both companies to end up losing out. Only the future revenue numbers will determine the success or failure of the decisions of both companies.
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Steam. Never had it, never will.
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