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I will have to agree with other posters on this thread that there seems to be a large amount of fanboism towards Steam. When EA appeared to be at fault everyone jumped down their throats...now that it is steam everyone and their dog coming out of the wood work to defend.

It makes no logical sense how it can be EAs fault when EVERY singles other online distributor sells Crysis 2 with no problems other than Steam. You can find pre-orders for BF3 everywhere other than Steam!?

Steam may be puffed up on themselves that they are number 1 online distributor but they forget one major thing. EA and Activision are the 2 major forces in video gaming industry. Activision ****s out Valve entire profit on TF2, Portal 1-2, and Half-Life 2 with the release of a COD game or 6months worth of WoW subs. I have a strong belief that Activison will soon follow the blizzard store model and stop selling there games on Steam. If Steam alienates Ea then what do they have left.

O wait i will have steam to buy indie games...and ubisoft i guess...WAIT those Valve exclusives!!!! rofl...rofl...

Lets be honest. Steam needs EA AND Activision more than they need Steam. Both companies produce game strong enough to get customer to come over and use there respective distribution channels.
First off, I haven't said one thing defending Steam/Valve and couldn't care less where I have to buy games from, so stop with the generalizations as I'm not a fan of Valve or Steam. Steam as far as I'm concerned just a luxury because that's where a lot of my games/friends are.

Secondly, it makes sense as to why Alice is for sale on Steam and Crysis 2/BF3 aren't. Alice will not sell anywhere near as well, hence why they kept it on Steam, as Steam has somewhat of a history of indie games that did well through it rather than the usual retail shops (and this game is best described as somewhat of an indie game). Valve/Steam probably take a slightly bigger percentage of profits from selling games through its service than other distributors (most likely for the userbase), which is why EA want to make the push on their 'Origin' by (probably) undercutting their own competing distributors with their own games, and it makes perfect sense. Selling through their service gives them the highest markup on game sales, as they don't have to give away profits through using distributors. As for why older Crysis/NFS games are for sale on Steam, they've already had their moment and will have slow and steady sales through Steam when they will have their weekend/holiday sales. Although everyone here seems to be crying about BF3/Crysis 2 not being on Steam as being somewhat of a deal breaker (when let's face it, it's nothing, just a minor inconvenience) I really don't care, as neither of them were going to use Steamworks anyway (at which point the only thing Steam has is its Overlay) and if it means being able to buy the game for much cheaper than off Steam, even the most rabid Valve fans will dump their ridiculous boycott and buy them from EA's distribution service anyway.

And if it really was some new strict Steam regulations/rules that were conflicting with other distributors, a lot more games would've been disappearing off Steam than just a few of EAs (who still decided to use Steam for Alice, which they wouldn't have if it conflicted with other distributors). Calling this article/EA's excuse a load of crap is putting it mildly.

EDIT: If anyone else wants more proof that this has nothing to do with Steam and everything to do with EA, go check the Direct2Drive website. They're using the fact that it's "NOT ON STEAM" as a selling point, something that only EA can give the go-ahead to. This is on their front page.



Here is another one.



http://store.steampowered.com/app/19680/

Derpy derp derp.

I bet they're planning on removing Alice as well, in a month or so it won't be on Steam.
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First off, I haven't said one thing defending Steam/Valve and couldn't care less where I have to buy games from, so stop with the generalizations as I'm not a fan of Valve or Steam. Steam as far as I'm concerned just a luxury because that's where a lot of my games/friends are.

Secondly, it makes sense as to why Alice is for sale on Steam and Crysis 2/BF3 aren't. Alice will not sell anywhere near as well, hence why they kept it on Steam, as Steam has somewhat of a history of indie games that did well through it rather than the usual retail shops (and this game is best described as somewhat of an indie game). Valve/Steam probably take a slightly bigger percentage of profits from selling games through its service than other distributors (most likely for the userbase), which is why EA want to make the push on their 'Origin' by (probably) undercutting their own competing distributors with their own games, and it makes perfect sense. Selling through their service gives them the highest markup on game sales, as they don't have to give away profits through using distributors. As for why older Crysis/NFS games are for sale on Steam, they've already had their moment and will have slow and steady sales through Steam when they will have their weekend/holiday sales. Although everyone here seems to be crying about BF3/Crysis 2 not being on Steam as being somewhat of a deal breaker (when let's face it, it's nothing, just a minor inconvenience) I really don't care, as neither of them were going to use Steamworks anyway (at which point the only thing Steam has is its Overlay) and if it means being able to buy the game for much cheaper than off Steam, even the most rabid Valve fans will dump their ridiculous boycott and buy them from EA's distribution service anyway.

And if it really was some new strict Steam regulations/rules that were conflicting with other distributors, a lot more games would've been disappearing off Steam than just a few of EAs (who still decided to use Steam for Alice, which they wouldn't have if it conflicted with other distributors). Calling this article/EA's excuse a load of crap is putting it mildly.
This. I fail to see how these new, supposedly draconian rules only effect one game.
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why would steam do this? they want to be the best of its kind but have forced a popular game out.
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This. I fail to see how these new, supposedly draconian rules only effect one game.
People are jumping to conclusions and rushing to make up a theory. This is the only one that fits, even though as you said it only affects 1 game somehow.

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The shady DLC promotions and the fallout between Valve and EA is really sad IMO. PC gaming isn't PC gaming anymore. For far too long, the EA has only cared about finagling console content to the PC without making PC content that keeps up with current technology. Look at Crysis 2 and Dragon Age 2 and the numerous other PC games that have followed this path of dumbing down for profit; and now they want to squabble over how the DLC is distributed for PC content. All of this in the guise that PC gaming isn't profitable. . Whatever.
Don't forget Dead Space 2 and how the PC gamers didn't a lot of the special suits and guns until an anon EA dev posted a save game on the Steam forums. I was HOT that i went through that whole game on Nightmare with only 3 saves and didn't get my MFing handcannon!

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yup. Steam doesnt even worry about trying to have competitive prices. They apply a steam tax, well pay more because you already use us. I buy from steam when they have sales, but i can find games cheaper everywhere else even at launch compared to steam.

I dont think anyone dislikes steam, but it is definitely not gods gift to PC gaming that some people blindly believe. Such as the people who are willing to boycott a game because it doesnt come to steam. Seriously, steam has nothing to do with the development of the game, and nothing to do with how good it is. To deny yourself a game as good as the witcher, simply because it isnt on steam(it is, just an example) would be absolutely stupid, but people are still willing to do it.

I work in the car business, the best thing to ever happen to us is when a customer says, i dont even look anywhere else now. Great, that means dont get as good of a discount. Steam feels the same way.
I have to agree. It's as stupid as the people who try to boycott a game for not having Dx11.
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Call a spade a spade. It has been proven that BF3 is not actually a Origin exclusive. Every other damn video game retailer (online and otherwise) have it available for pre-order. It is believable since EA would want there games available in as many distribution channels as possible. Everyone knows Steam charges the most to developers to sell their games out of all online retailers. Right now D2D is offering the cheapest non-limited edition price at $53. $26 cheaper than Origins (AU) LE version $79. How are all other retail outlets not up in arms and complaining like hell about EA undercutting. Everyone other than Steam is playing nice.

If we follow a logical train of thought this only points towards 1 cause. Something in the contract Valve/Steam makes developers sign must limit in some way how they interact with other online distribution channels. Either with pricing or promotions. Nothing else makes sense if it was not EA or Crytek that ceased to allow Steam to sell their product.
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Don't forget Dead Space 2 and how the PC gamers didn't a lot of the special suits and guns until an anon EA dev posted a save game on the Steam forums. I was HOT that i went through that whole game on Nightmare with only 3 saves and didn't get my MFing handcannon!
To be honest, I don't know if that's a real response or not; 'cause after the fiasco of Dead Space 1 on PC there was no way in hell I was going to buy the sequel on PC. I missed all that.

Even after everything EA has done wrong they think DICE is going to swoop in and nobody will remember anything. Oh wait....

Seriously though, more pc users might would actually embrace Origin if EA hadn't been giving us all the shaft all these years.
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The shady DLC promotions and the fallout between Valve and EA is really sad IMO. PC gaming isn't PC gaming anymore. For far too long, the EA has only cared about finagling console content to the PC without making PC content that keeps up with current technology. Look at Crysis 2 and Dragon Age 2 and the numerous other PC games that have followed this path of dumbing down for profit; and now they want to squabble over how the DLC is distributed for PC content. All of this in the guise that PC gaming isn't profitable. . Whatever.
It is not the fact that PC gaming is not profitable....it is just the sad fact that it is nowhere near as profitable as consoles. Which is a fact...unless you are Blizzard and have WoW.

Crysis 2 was **** and i was REALLY disappointed with DA2. I am hope Bioware will redeem themselves with DA3. Mass Effect has been the only real success console port recently EA has had.

Saying all this they have spent over a billion developing ToR. Battlefield 3 is the PC FPS flagship for 2011. I understand what you are saying but it is not like EA has turned their back on PC gamers. Few companies EA's size can be dominant without focusing on console gamers. Blizzard can do it since they have Activision to focus on console sales.
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Blaming Steam is as ridiculous as blaming EA. There are two corporations whose interests have come into conflict over a contractual agreement they both entered into.

In other words, there is no blame here. There are only corporate interests in conflict. Everything else is fanboism on both sides.
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Blaming Steam is as ridiculous as blaming EA. There are two corporations whose interests have come into conflict over a contractual agreement they both entered into.

In other words, there is no blame here. There are only corporate interests in conflict. Everything else is fanboism on both sides.
Yeah your right. I was off topic.
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The EA Download Manager (and subsequent tech support) is better than what it used to be. I had a problem a couple of years ago with BF2142 updates, but since EA changed up the interface I have never had an issue. Since then I have bought BC2, Spore, Crysis 2, and a couple of other and didn't have a problem.

I was going to get BF3 from Steam, but now I'll just get it from EA as well. I would hate to get the game from one source and have to later go elsewhere for updates because some Steam lawyers decided to change a few words in a licensing contract.
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