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Yes, that's how it works. When you run a service, you make the rules. Shocking, I know.
With Origin, EA can make their own rules and not follow the business practices of one their developers.

EA publishes games for Valve, why should EA sell other devs games on Valves terms?

Think about it. Valve is a developer restricting Crytek(Crysis 2) to be sold on Steam.
Valve is a game maker, telling other game makers how to do business.

I think it's time for one client for PC gaming, ran collectively by publishers and developers.
Edited by WorldExclusive - 6/15/11 at 2:11pm
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Why is that not plausible? By making games exclusive from Steam, EA can get all the money from their published games without a middle-man. Smaller companies like D2D, Impulse, etc. may not be able to negotiate a higher price from EA like Steam. When you buy a game in a retail store, EA gets all the money since they are the publisher.

You are quick to pick up the mantle of rallying against Valve. Why?
you're contradicting yourself.

the retailer will be the middleman
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With Origin, EA can make their own rules and not follow the business practices of one their developers.

EA publishes games for Valve, why should EA sell games on Valves terms?
That doesn't make business sense. The Pub always have more power than the Dev.
Valve self-publishes, but that's beside the point, as dev/publisher relationships have little to do with the situation at hand.

The question here for me is what rules has Steam/Valve been imposing that EA finds so onerous. Once again, it's my feeling that there's nothing unreasonable about whatever is being demanded, if there were we would be hearing about it more often, but that instead it's something EA simply wasn't willing to do, especially in light of their soon to debut online service.

I also don't understand the anti-Valve bandwagoning. The hipsterish drive to dislike things that lots of people like is almost a "fanboyish" obsession in itself. There's a difference between having an informed stance, or playing devil's advocate, and the simple determination to stand against something that the majority appears to support. By the admittedly low standards of corporate entities of any kind, Valve is well-run, well-liked, and overall a fairly ethical and responsible business, so I'm not sure whether anecdotal experiences or schadenfreude is at the center of the Valve-bashing here.
Edited by Alecthar - 6/15/11 at 2:15pm
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Valve self-publishes, but that's beside the point, as dev/publisher relationships have little to do with the situation at hand.

The question here for me is what rules has Steam/Valve been imposing that EA finds so onerous. Once again, it's my feeling that there's nothing unreasonable about whatever is being demanded, if there were we would be hearing about it more often, but that instead it's something EA simply wasn't willing to do, especially in light of their soon to debut online service.

I also don't understand the anti-Valve bandwagoning. The hipsterish drive to dislike things that lots of people like is like a "fanboyish" obsession in itself. There's a difference between having an informed stance, or playing devil's advocate, and the simple determination to stand against something that the majority appears to support. By the admittedly low standards of corporate entities of any kind, Valve is well-run, well-liked, and overall a fairly ethical and responsible business, so I'm not sure whether anecdotal experiences or schadenfreude is at the center of the Valve-bashing here.
Its a new policy that steam added, and its something that no other online retailer has. Which makes it pretty clear to me that Steam is simply trying to push its weight around.

There isnt much valve bashing going, just people pointing out how outrageous people are being about something that valve does themselves, you cant buy digital downloads of games from other places also. And the fact that people are refusing to even give origin a chance, when they are the same thing.
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With Origin, EA can make their own rules and not follow the business practices of one their developers.

EA publishes games for Valve, why should EA sell other devs games on Valves terms?


Think about it. Valve, a Developer, is telling Crytek and EA how to distribute their games.
It really doesn't matter how unreasonable the terms were. CryTek agreed to them, and then broke them. That is a breach of contract. Removing the game from Steam is a slap on the wrist when they could easily be sued for breaching the contract.

Besides, I highly doubt it was exclusivity. If Steam is such the evil company that the haters make it out to be, then why exactly do OTHER distributors even exist?

Steam is just simply the best at what it does, hate to break it to you (and this is coming from someone who used to ONLY buy retail and got pissed when companies started using smaller packaging, I loved the huge boxes)

I've used D2D, EADM, Amazon Digital, GoG, GFWL, and time and time again go back to Steam, it's simply better at everything it does.

I think competition is good, keeps the prices low. But when exclusivity starts flying around, prices will rise since you can't get it anywhere else.

Look at it in console terms... Console games are typically a set $60, but what about exclusives? You can only get certain games on certain consoles (Uncharted, Killzone, Halo, Gear of War, etc etc) why aren't those games jacked up to $100 or more? They have every right to be, you can't get them anywhere else... and that is where it comes down to the retailers and the general consensus that games have a standard price. When retailers, distributors get the exclusive rights to sell, that's when prices end up getting jacked.

If BF3 ends up being Origin only for digital, do I think the price will be higher? probably not because you can still buy it retail. If however, there was no retail version, then yes, it could easily go up.

tl;dr

No one is to blame but CryTek for a breach of contract. Valve fanboys and anti-Valve fanboys can both shut up. It's on CryTek for agreeing to the terms, and then breaking them.
 
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Riiiiight...
this.
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idc i'll by my ea games of origin the rest off steam i'm happy stop complaining too picky man
same here, BFBC2 and BF3 on origin already, just waiting for the preload > I can't wait for it, gonna be epic. and from the looks of it, i like Origin better than Steam, but for it to work, they need to get more than just their games on there, maybe they can get Activition to jump boats, even though i won't touch call of duty and i haven't for a week or so now, that would be a big signing with them, unless a lot of the people from PC are like me and not giving a **** about call of duty any more.
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Its a new policy that steam added, and its something that no other online retailer has. Which makes it pretty clear to me that Steam is simply trying to push its weight around.
I would agree with you, except we have no idea what the policy is.

Besides, even if what you think was true, then why was it ONLY Crysis 2 that was pulled? Why wasn't Crysis and Crysis Warhead pulled? If EA finds this so upsetting, why hasn't their entire catalog been pulled?

Simple fact is, all we know is that CryTek didn't like the policy and breached the contract so Steam pulled the game.

EDIT: My guess is that it has something to do with the Decimation Pack that released today.
 
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It really doesn't matter how unreasonable the terms were. CryTek agreed to them, and then broke them. That is a breach of contract. Removing the game from Steam is a slap on the wrist when they could easily be sued for breaching the contract.
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Unfortunately, Crytek has an agreement with another download service which violates the new rules from Steam and resulted in its expulsion of Crysis 2 from Steam.
violates the new rules. Sounds like Steam changed the rules and crytek/ea could not adjust to them because of other agreements.

If they were old rules, then crysis would have never have been offered to start. which is likely the reason we have never seen battlefield 3 on steam, but we see it on other retailers. Battlefield 3 likely has the same DLC distribution deal that crysis had. Which makes it invalid to sell based on steams new rules they added.[/
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Its a new policy that steam added, and its something that no other online retailer has. Which makes it pretty clear to me that Steam is simply trying to push its weight around.

There isnt much valve bashing going, just people pointing out how outrageous people are being about something that valve does themselves, you cant buy digital downloads of games from other places also. And the fact that people are refusing to even give origin a chance, when they are the same thing.
"New (currently unique?) policy that EA doesn't like" isn't necessarily equivalent to "onerous new policy from a service looking to use market share to crush dissent." With the rise of stuff like retail/digital outlet exclusive pre-order/purchase incentives, it could be as simple as a demand that the Steam version of games must come with comparable incentives if the publisher is offering them in other retail channels, or a policy regarding pricing. If EA plans to severely undercut Steam in those areas using Origin, it makes perfect sense for them to forgo offering BF3/Crysis 2 on Steam, and it also doesn't mean that Steam was demanding anything crazy.

Understand that I'm not trying to assign blame here, especially given that blame is a largely useless idea in a business decision like this, but just saying that neither Steam nor EA has to be the "bad guy." It's just business, as they say.
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