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Originally Posted by Alecthar View Post

I think that, until we know the specific terms that Crytek/EA were unwilling/unable to meet, it's premature to speculate on how terrible of a company Valve or Crytek or EA or Activision Blizzard (wait, how did that get there?) is. Exclusivity seems like a ridiculous demand, my bet is that there's some kind of incentive for Origin buyers of Crysis 2/BF3 that EA won't give Steam. Impulse, D2D and the like aren't big enough to refuse big-time EA games even if they're getting shafted in terms of incentives to buy from them, but the Steam platform owns so much of the market that they can afford to tell EA to either give them something that compares or shove it.

Exactly!

It's amazing to read so many people just jumping on the bandwagon "ohhhh, it's Valve's fault after all! Boooo Valve"

It's ridiculous, guys, really.


Read this little part of the article:

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I've asked EA for better clarification on what "business terms" have changed and why games like Alice: Madness Returns are no longer on Steam. I've also requested comment from Valve.

Bottom line is: neither one of us has the full story. What changed exactly ?

I could also speculate that Crytek had a deal with EA for the future Origin that Valve didn't know about when signing the deal to distribute Crysis 2. How about that for a theory ?
 
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it absolutely does... since EA is the publisher for the game... that means digital publishing as well as any other versions.
Publisher does not mean distributor. Generally speaking the publisher does not engage in direct to consumer sales. They work with various distributors to reach as wide an audience as possible. Working with multiple distributors helps out EA and other publishers as many distributors will also advertise a new release, thus leading to more sales and more consumer awareness of your game.

Also, after reading the thread people are jumping to a lot of conclusions. At this point we have no idea what really transpired. Hopefully Valve will release a statement.
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Whatever the root cause of this is, I'm hoping they can get over it, because I really would like to have BF3 on Steam.
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Publisher does not mean distributor. Generally speaking the publisher does not engage in direct to consumer sales. They work with various distributors to reach as wide an audience as possible. Working with multiple distributors helps out EA and other publishers as many distributors will also advertise a new release, thus leading to more sales and more consumer awareness of your game.
and which part of what you just said there makes EA's words on the matter any less important? as publisher they would know why the distributer (Steam) would pull Crysis 2 from their website to sell...

    
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With Origin, EA can make their own rules and not follow the business practices of one their developers.

EA publishes games for Valve, why should EA sell other devs games on Valves terms?

Think about it. Valve is a developer restricting Crytek(Crysis 2) to be sold on Steam.
Valve is a game maker, telling other game makers how to do business.

I think it's time for one client for PC gaming, ran collectively by publishers and developers.
The only point I'm trying to make is that CryTek is at fault for breaching contract, as another member put it. I'm not saying Origin is evil or Steam is god or anything like that.

Irrelevant but just to note, EA actually just distributes Valve's games, ie sells them to retailers. Valve does the actual publishing, ie manufactures, advertises, etc. So EA is actually employed by Valve, not vice versa as you implied.
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Guess I am glad I got it when it was on steam.
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Why can't people wait for the other shoe to drop before forming an opinion? This is not the whole story. I am very keen to find out why this "new rule" only effects certain EA games.
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I now love EA Origin since I was able to redeem Bad Company 2 on it and it gave me the Digital Deluxe version that comes with Vietnam

On topic: Won't judge without knowing what rule Crytek broke
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The only point I'm trying to make is that CryTek is at fault for breaching contract, as another member put it. I'm not saying Origin is evil or Steam is god or anything like that.

Irrelevant but just to note, EA actually just distributes Valve's games, ie sells them to retailers. Valve does the actual publishing, ie manufactures, advertises, etc. So EA is actually employed by Valve, not vice versa as you implied.
Yes, Crytek probably didn't disclose a previous agreement with EA to Valve.
I since EA is a publisher and distributor themselves, I assumed Valve let EA publish and distribute the game. There's a conflict of interest with Origin being pushed aggressively by EA, and games sold by EA maybe reevaluated by Steam. It will be interesting what games will Steam allow from EA in the near future.

My whole point is, the petitions, boycotts and the outright denial not to buy a game by the PC community, without knowing the whole story shows ignorance. PC gamers today focus on everything but the game itself, as the make or break decision to buy or not. When Steam controls buying decisions, the game itself isn't enough for people to buy anymore.
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I have an idea on what happen.

what has changed recently on steam..............The introduction of Free to play games on Steam, where items are purchased through steam, instead of in game, or on other websites. So that steam gets a piece of the money.

Crysis 2 DLC is bought in game, Steam doesnt get a piece of that. If they recently rewrote the rules for Free to play games to sell through that. Perhaps they said hey crysis 2, you need to sell your DLC through us in a shop, or else we wont let you sell it.

This seems to be possible with EA saying recent rule changes forced steam to remove the product. Then the fact that The new crysis map pack just came out now and we have the problem.

Alice has also gone missing. Anyone own it know if DLC is purchased in game, similar to crysis? Alice is currently available on origin with the original free.
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