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OpenCL has been around a while, but never really took off like it should've.

Both AMD and Nvidia did joint demonstrations of its potential. Although AMD pushed it hard, they never really provided all the proper tools AND support developers needed for it to really take off.

Adobe for example ditched OpenCL all together, and chose CUDA exclusively, and built some of their programs like Adobe Premiere WITH CUDA.

Don't take my word for it:
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...uda-only!.aspx

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kvjavs View Post
Let's be honest, who here can honestly say they used CUDA compatible programs and noticed a difference?

Probably not many.

By the way, Nvidia and Microsoft are practically partners, obviously Nvidia is going to be around to stay, and their technology will probably have the upper hand at whatever Microsoft is up to.
I use a few programs that use CUDA, and there's a significant and noticeable difference.

Get a program like Xilisoft Video converter, and convert a video with and without CUDA acceleration, and report back.

I use Adobe Premiere regularly, and that was built with CUDA, and the acceleration there is beyond SIGNIFICANT.

Anyone who used an older version of Adobe Premiere in the past, will appreciate the following video, and notice the benefits of Premiere being built with CUDA.


Part 2 shows the differences with MPE on and Off.


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Originally Posted by Killam0n View Post
Kill Cuda please microsoft.. with sugar on top.

I dont care if you run an Nvidia or ATI/ AMD GPU they should all be able to run the same games and support the best of whats available.

Why should I have to buy a add on Nvidia card to support physx / Cuda on a dual 6970 cross fire setup? That is just stupid. Some day I would like to buy dual 6970's and crossfire them, but I cant afford to and on top of that I sure cant also afford to drop a 580 in the mix for physx support.
You're complaining that you can't afford, but want 6970's in CF plus a 580 for Physx, really?

Just pick up a GTX 9800 for like $50 if you want physx badly enough on the cheap. No one in their right mind is going to use or NEED a 580 for Physx, that's just ludicrous.

Why should you have to buy it?

Because Nvidia owns, develops, AND supports CUDA properly. Can't say the same for AMD + OpenCL. Once again, don't take my word for it this is just an example:
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...uda-only!.aspx

It'll be good to no longer have to go Nvidia exclusively for proper GPU acceleration, but this new standard better surpass what CUDA is already doing, and be properly supported. If and when it does, I'll happily embrace it, as I already have the hardware for it.

Some of you guys need to step out of your Gaming only bubble.
Edited by 2010rig - 6/16/11 at 11:11am
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This was announced at AMD's conference so it is not going to be biased towards in Nvidia in any way. Also, Nvidia has been pushing GPGPU for a while now. Even if CUDA dies (open source nearly always wins) they will be just fine.

The company that should be sweating is Intel. Those x86 monsters they crank out are going to start getting caught in performance by AMD's APUs if programs start using GPU acceleration. Let's see if in a few years (none of this matters until then anyway ) Intel can put a proper GPU on die.
Did you miss the programs with AVX instructions that put the 2500/2600k on par with a GTX 580? That was the entire point of this new instruction and Intel's APU is fine for most people that require it.
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Did you miss the programs with AVX instructions that put the 2500/2600k on par with a GTX 580? That was the entire point of this new instruction and Intel's APU is fine for most people that require it.
Only works if the program supports AVX instructions,and the CPU can only do so much.
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This was announced at AMD's conference so it is not going to be biased towards in Nvidia in any way. Also, Nvidia has been pushing GPGPU for a while now. Even if CUDA dies (open source nearly always wins) they will be just fine.

The company that should be sweating is Intel. Those x86 monsters they crank out are going to start getting caught in performance by AMD's APUs if programs start using GPU acceleration. Let's see if in a few years (none of this matters until then anyway ) Intel can put a proper GPU on die.
Agreed.
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Oh look it's Microsoft trying to kill Linux again...
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Originally Posted by 2010rig View Post
OpenCL has been around a while, but never really took off like it should've.

Both AMD and Nvidia did joint demonstrations of its potential. Although AMD pushed it hard, they never really provided all the proper tools AND support developers needed for it to really take off.

Adobe for example ditched OpenCL all together, and chose CUDA exclusively, and built some of their programs like Adobe Premiere WITH CUDA.

Don't take my word for it:
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...uda-only!.aspx



I use a few programs that use CUDA, and there's a significant and noticeable difference.

Get a program like Xilisoft Video converter, and convert a video with and without CUDA acceleration, and report back.

I use Adobe Premiere regularly, and that was built with CUDA, and the acceleration there is beyond SIGNIFICANT.

Anyone who used an older version of Adobe Premiere in the past, will appreciate the following video, and notice the benefits of Premiere being built with CUDA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De5N9IjUkNo



You're complaining that you can't afford, but want 6970's in CF plus a 580 for Physx, really?

Just pick up a GTX 9800 for like $50 if you want physx badly enough on the cheap. No one in their right mind is going to use or NEED a 580 for Physx, that's just ludicrous.

Why should you have to buy it?

Because Nvidia owns, develops, AND supports CUDA properly. Can't say the same for AMD + OpenCL. Once again, don't take my word for it this is just an example:
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news...uda-only!.aspx

It'll be good to no longer have to go Nvidia exclusively for proper GPU acceleration, but this new standard better surpass what CUDA is already doing, and be properly supported. If and when it does, I'll happily embrace it, as I already have the hardware for it.

Some of you guys need to step out of your Gaming only bubble.
Oh yeah,because we all know how Nvidia was happy to make CUDA open-sorce.Bottom line is they tried to monopolize GPU computing and they failed.Sure Nvidia makes good gaming GPU's but they basically set there whole future on GPU computing,so between this new standard and AMD's APU domination.If AMD can catch up with their Fire professional line,Nvidia is in real trouble.Time for Huang to go.

had to laugh when I read this quote of his from 2009
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvi...orce,9032.html
[QUOTE]
Mr Huang said “Apple wants to differentiate. So inside your [COLOR=blue !important][COLOR=blue !important]MacBook[/COLOR][/COLOR] is a NVIDIA chipset. Because Apple wants to build fundamentally different computers than just the Intel platform. They want to add value.â€
Mr Huang said that in his home they’re “all Apple.†According to him “Apple uses the best technology for their [computers]. Apple says to their customers: if you buy a computer from us you can be sure we have selected the best technology inside for you. That is their promise to consumers. Their promise to consumers isn’t we’ve selected the best technology for you with the exception of what Intel allows us to use. That’s not their promise. And that’s why Apple uses the best technology where they want whenever they want. And that’s why I’m all Apple! At home it’s just Macs everywhere. It’s NVIDIA’s technology in all of them but I use Macs. My son has two Macs, my daughter has a Mac, there’s an extra Mac just in case and my wife has a Mac. It’s just Mac, Mac, Mac! Because I know it’s got the best stuff inside.â€
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post #46 of 151
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Well MS just killed CUDA for the most part. Nice that they are making it an open standard.
No they didn't. Cuda is used EXTENSIVELY by several governments, extremely high end research corporations, medical universities, etc.

Corning Inc (I live 20 miles from there) just spent over $800 million on Tesla super computers.
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Corning Inc (I live 20 miles from there) just spent over $800 million on Tesla super computers.
Does not mean they have to run only Cuda based code - if in future C++Amp code is available.
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Oh yeah,because we all know how Nvidia was happy to make CUDA open-sorce.Bottom line is they tried to monopolize GPU computing and they failed.Sure Nvidia makes good gaming GPU's but they basically set there whole future on GPU computing,so between this new standard and AMD's APU domination.If AMD can catch up with their Fire professional line,Nvidia is in real trouble.Time for Huang to go.
What? NVIDIA dominates GPGPU computing today. Go try to find a OpenCL vs CUDA job.

ATI/AMD traditional weakness still exists and simply providing a standard won't help it. Their issue is lack of developer support. NVIDIA goes out to game developers ("The Way It Is Meant to Be Played") and provides engineers, testers, and support. NVIDIA reaches out to GPGPU developers much better with CUDA than ATI does with Stream.
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CUDA already exists, doesn't AMD deserve to have a shot at this? Oh well.
Yeah, they just needs to get something out of the door themselves! No-one wrote CUDA for NVidia!
    
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Let's be honest, who here can honestly say they used CUDA compatible programs and noticed a difference?
If you've used Adobe Premiere and not noticed a HUGE difference then your system is very broken.
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