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post #1251 of 1907
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Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ View Post

I doubt that a little extra tubing makes much of a difference. I have a crap load of tubing in my loop due to my external rad and I can still turn the pumps down to the point where its less powerful than a single pump without really effecting temps. I doubt that an extra foot or two would make a measurable difference. A few elbows are probably more restrictive.

It'll benefit your pump most notably. You said you have two pumps which the extra bit of performance helps with long runs. One of my previous builds, I streamed down the tube since I noticed the flow into the res was rather slow. After cutting out a foot of extra tube, the flow into the res was much better.

It also helps with presentation. Its like a professional plumber: efficient and neat. You wouldn't want several feet of needless/useless pipes and plumbing under your sink, ? wink.gif
post #1252 of 1907
Loop order doesn't really matter at least not noticeably. It takes a while to heat up all of the water in your loop. Just turn down the fans so that things warm up a bit then crank the fans back up. It takes a while to dump all of the heat. The temp across the loop doesn't vary very much at least not measurably.

Also a little extra tubing is more reliable than rotaries. I use a ton of rotaries too but they can leak. If you can avoid using them why not?
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It'll benefit your pump most notably. You said you have two pumps which the extra bit of performance helps with long runs. One of my previous builds, I streamed down the tube since I noticed the flow into the res was rather slow. After cutting out a foot of extra tube, the flow into the res was much better.

I can run my pumps at a speed where it is less powerful than even a single D5 and it doesn't seem to effect temps. I probably have five feet or so of tubing going to and from my external rad. I'm also have two other rads, a cpu block and three full cover vga blocks in series on the same loop. I highly doubt that a couple of extra feet of tubing would make a noticeable difference. If I'm not mistaken elbows that we all use make a more measurable difference than extra tubing at least according to Martin's excel spreadsheet.
Edited by BababooeyHTJ - 10/26/12 at 12:56pm
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post #1253 of 1907
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Loop order doesn't really matter at least not noticeably. It takes a while to heat up all of the water in your loop. Just turn down the fans so that things warm up a bit then crank the fans back up. It takes a while to dump all of the heat. The temp across the loop doesn't vary very much at least not measurably.
Also a little extra tubing is more reliable than rotaries. I use a ton of rotaries too but they can leak. If you can avoid using them why not?
I can run my pumps at a speed where it is less powerful than even a single D5 and it doesn't seem to effect temps. I probably have five feet or so of tubing going to and from my external rad. I'm also have two other rads, a cpu block and three full cover vga blocks in series on the same loop. I highly doubt that a couple of extra feet of tubing would make a noticeable difference. If I'm not mistaken elbows that we all use make a more measurable difference than extra tubing.

I'm only using a couple of angled fittings but the trick to get nice fluid bends without using angled adapters/fittings is to get a thick walled tube. Most pumps will do find with a few angled fittings. That build I mentioned had a ton of them since I was using 3/8x1/2. Cutting down on the tube helped flow.

And yes, loop order has no significance. Only commonly recommended suggestion is to keep the pump after the res to prevent the pump from running dry.

Its less liquid you have to push through once you start cutting down on the tube that's not necessary. I have ~6-7ft of tube in my build so 10ft shouldn't be a concern if you're running external. Inside a case, its just not necessary and efficient to have that much excessive tube.

edit: if you go the water thread, everyone will agree to cut down on the excessive tube in that build.
Edited by wermad - 10/26/12 at 1:11pm
post #1254 of 1907
I could see how you could argue that for looks but I find the performance arguments pretty flimsy. I think that the worst looking part is the purple things holding the tubing together. Some people are also better at taking pictures. I'm not very good either. I think that some good lighting could even make that build look much better. Its hard to make too much of a judgment from that pic alone. Could it be neatened up? Yeah but in person its probably not as bad as it looks.
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post #1255 of 1907
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I could see how you could argue that for looks but I find the performance arguments pretty flimsy.

I respect your opinion, but take this build to the water cooling thread and most ppl will agree to cut down and it will help w/ performance. Again, I've seen it with my own eyes and I'm probably on my 14th water build so I've got some experience wink.gif

I guarantee that your flow rate will increase if you take your external rad and sit it next to your computer with shorter tubes. Keep in mind, I have not once said there was a thermal performance gain so make sure you're not confusing that's with my claim.
Edited by wermad - 10/26/12 at 2:31pm
post #1256 of 1907
I agree with wermad ,the original idea was to help chewdude clean up his tubing runs for cosmetic reason mostly.The shorter the tubing runs the better it looks and the less strain on the pumps that's all.
post #1257 of 1907
What did you guys use stirp the paint off the metal parts of the Elysium?

Thinking repainting it or doing some color thinking.gif
post #1258 of 1907
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What did you guys use stirp the paint off the metal parts of the Elysium?
Thinking repainting it or doing some color thinking.gif

OH BOY!!.. Do I Smell ORANGES.. hehe wink.gif ~~ tongue.gif
post #1259 of 1907
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OH BOY!!.. Do I Smell ORANGES.. hehe wink.gif ~~ tongue.gif

sticking with my current color scheme, just looking for some new ideas for the case colorrrr thumb.gif
post #1260 of 1907
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Keep in mind, I have not once said there was a thermal performance gain so make sure you're not confusing that's with my claim.

Then why does it matter? I've heard lowfat say that "flowrates are over rated" a few times and I agree with that.
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