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So I have an Xtreme Audio, and it does sound fair, but I have heard it's really an Audigy2 that uses a software hack to emulate a true X-Fi and actually costs me in terms of CPU cycles.
I'm interested in the DG, or possibly a PCIEx1 card so as to not run a card in between my 5770 for airflow issues.
Based upon my mobo, is there really any way to run a PCIE card?

And would the DG be better in terms of quality than the Xtreme Audio?
Also, does the DG require a floppy power connection for the headphone amp?
My cables are routed nicely now, and trying to get a power adapter into the Crossfire setup would be vexing at best.
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If you want Xonar get D1 or DX.
DS and DG are low level stuff.

Xtreme Audio is a rebranded Audigy SE based on the first Audigy chip ,not Audigy 2.
Your card is an Audigy with no HW engine for 3D stuff."Full" Audigy was able to do 32 voices at HW level while Audigy 2 was doing 64 voices at HW level.
Your card does this things in software with less voices.More voices means more 3D sound fidelity in EAX mode.
The card is somehow better on audio playback than a plain old Audigy as the DAC-s are better than what we had on Audigy-es in their times.
Audigy SE/Xtreme Audio is crap in games compared to Audigy/Audigy 2 ,the software processing is not helpfull at all with it.

The Xonars Oxygene chips are as old as the Audigy 2 (2005).

Don t confuse Xtreme Audio with Xtreme Music as the Music is a true X-Fi that sounds grosso modo similar to the D1/DX while playing music.
Edited by Dromihetes - 6/17/11 at 4:13pm
   
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post #3 of 9
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Originally Posted by Dromihetes View Post
If you want Xonar get D1 or DX.
DS and DG are low level stuff.

Xtreme Audio is a rebranded Audigy SE based on the first Audigy chip ,not Audigy 2.
Your card is an Audigy with no HW engine for 3D stuff."Full" Audigy was able to do 32 voices at HW level while Audigy 2 was doing 64 voices at HW level.
Your card does this things in software with less voices.More voices means more 3D sound fidelity in EAX mode.
The card is somehow better on audio playback than a plain old Audigy as the DAC-s are better than what we had on Audigy-es in their times.
Audigy SE/Xtreme Audio is crap in games compared to Audigy/Audigy 2 ,the software processing is not helpfull at all with it.

The Xonars Oxygene chips are as old as the Audigy 2 (2005).

Don t confuse Xtreme Audio with Xtreme Music as the Music is a true X-Fi that sounds grosso modo similar to the D1/DX while playing music.
DS utilizes the exact same DSP as the D1 or DX. The components and DAC/ADC are just lower quality. Same goes for the DG, although that card utilizes a custom 8786 DSP based off of the 8788 (Which every other Xonar uses).
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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post
DS utilizes the exact same DSP as the D1 or DX. The components and DAC/ADC are just lower quality. Same goes for the DG, although that card utilizes a custom 8786 DSP based off of the 8788 (Which every other Xonar uses).
There are some quality gaps between the DS and the D1.If you are trying to say that they all are the same and that D1/DX just cost more without any reason you are wrong.
It s not only the DSP that counts.

LE:
Asus Xonar DS
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/sou...card-reviews/2

Asus Xonar D1
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1792&pageID=8453

At a first glance you should notice the capacitors quality ,the jacks quality and the better filtering for the voltage (notice the inductor on the card) for the D1.
Edited by Dromihetes - 6/18/11 at 5:38pm
   
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Well, I don't need audiophile grade sound, I just wanted something that would maybe take a tiny load AWAY from my CPU, instead of adding to it.
And I was a bit more concerned about the headphone amp in the DG than the capacitors and filtering.
I still also need to know if I can fit a PCIE into the 4x slot, as i'd rather not jam another card in between my 5770's. The top one gets about 5-7C higher when the airflow is blocked by my Xtreme Audio.
And I did put the XA back in. The onboard was just too flat to deal with.

Anyway, I'll probably just bite the bullet and get the DX, even though it's going to be a pain to reroute my cables to get a stupid floppy power cable down to it.
It's either PCIE in bottom slot, or having a card sandwiched in a bad place with PCI slot.
Edited by Nixuz - 6/18/11 at 7:42pm
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Originally Posted by Dromihetes View Post
There are some quality gaps between the DS and the D1.If you are trying to say that they all are the same and that D1/DX just cost more without any reason you are wrong.
It s not only the DSP that counts.

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Asus Xonar DS
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/sou...card-reviews/2

Asus Xonar D1
http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1792&pageID=8453

At a first glance you should notice the capacitors quality ,the jacks quality and the better filtering for the voltage (notice the inductor on the card) for the D1.
I believe I stated that.
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DS utilizes the exact same DSP as the D1 or DX. The components and DAC/ADC are just lower quality. Same goes for the DG, although that card utilizes a custom 8786 DSP based off of the 8788 (Which every other Xonar uses).
Main reason the D1/DX is more expensive is due to the higher quality Cirrus Logic CS4398 DAC and Cirrus Logic CS5361 ADC. Believe the DS uses some 107db SNR wolfson. As for capacitors, I do see solid's on the DX/D1, but I'll be honest and say that I don't really know are good those are for that card.. Granted the DS/DG's caps are cheaper, Id rather have actual audio grade capacitors like so.




The cheaper xonar's might not have the best components, but they're very good for what they are, especially if you're a gamer. Btw a DS with an OPAMP swap can sound just as good as DX/D1. It's pretty subjective to ones ears though.


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Well, I don't need audiophile grade sound, I just wanted something that would maybe take a tiny load AWAY from my CPU, instead of adding to it.
And I was a bit more concerned about the headphone amp in the DG than the capacitors and filtering.
I still also need to know if I can fit a PCIE into the 4x slot, as i'd rather not jam another card in between my 5770's. The top one gets about 5-7C higher when the airflow is blocked by my Xtreme Audio.
And I did put the XA back in. The onboard was just too flat to deal with.

Anyway, I'll probably just bite the bullet and get the DX, even though it's going to be a pain to reroute my cables to get a stupid floppy power cable down to it.
It's either PCIE in bottom slot, or having a card sandwiched in a bad place with PCI slot.
The DX will work in an X4 slot.

The DG on the other hand is almost 3x cheaper and seems like a better fit for what you need. Sadly, it would have to be sandwiched :[
Edited by Skylit - 6/18/11 at 9:30pm
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I believe I stated that.


Main reason the D1/DX is more expensive is due to the higher quality Cirrus Logic CS4398 DAC and Cirrus Logic CS5361 ADC. Believe the DS uses some 107db SNR wolfson. As for capacitors, I do see solid's on the DX/D1, but I'll be honest and say that I don't really know are good those are for that card.. Granted the DS/DG's caps are cheaper, Id rather have actual audio grade capacitors like so.



Never used the caps you re showing ,neither the ones Asus uses here so i don t know how they sound.
For my audiophile builds ,like small amplifiers ,preamplifiers i use tantalum caps.Not the ones MSI is using on the mobos ,they look a little different.You can spot some of them on the X-Fi Xtreme Music modded stuff.
Anyway i m very sure that the capacitors on the D1 should keep their "shape" after an extended time of usage and the jacks will not oxidate.
Don t ignore the superior voltage filtering on the D1/DX , it brings cleaner sound.

If you want better sound than the onboard stuff ,why not buy something properly made , at an affordable price.D1/DX is not a fortune and should last several years.

DS will work and output sound no doubt about it.
   
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in simple words:
Xtreme audio vs DG........surely the DG
More money get the DX/D1 or the X-Fi titanium

And about the DS i think to forget about it cause it was made to fill a gap between the DG and the DX/D1
    
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in simple words:
Xtreme audio vs DG........surely the DG
More money get the DX/D1 or the X-Fi titanium

And about the DS i think to forget about it cause it was made to fill a gap between the DG and the DX/D1
Exactly.

The DS has this marketing trick though ,the socketed OP AMP.

It would be nice to mod one of this 2 (DG or DS) and see what you can get out of them with better capacitors and some other OP AMPS.

D1 has the Dolby stuff ,for people who care about it .

DS has DTS while the DG little brother has none of them .
This features should be taken into account as well.
   
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