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I've been slowly wading into the audiophile waters, and am currently re-ripping/downloading my entire library in FLAC as my latest endeavor. tongue.gif

Now, i'm interested in upgrading from my pair of AD700s. I've found myself sitting on my computer late into the night just listening to the music being all around me and all the little details that i can now pick up in music. With the AD700s being one of the best set of open cans under $100, i want to take it up a notch.

Looked at the AKG K701/K702/Q701, Beyer Dynamic DT 880 (600), and Beyer Dynamic DT 990 mainly.

Kind of hate the look of the Beyer cans, but love the look of the AKGs.

Leaning towards pulling the trigger on the AKGs. They're open air, supposedly very accurate and neutral. The sound signature of my AD700s without the emphasis on bass is amazing to me, and i won't miss having huge amounts of bass with the AKGs.

Specifically, i'm looking at the [ame="http://www.amazon.com/AKG-Q701BLK-Quincy-Signature-Headphone/dp/B004444O3W/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1308209368&sr=1-2-fkmr1"]AKG 701 Quincy Jones[/ame]. I've read that they're tweaked 701s giving a little more to the low/mid range which i think would be great.

Also, I plan on using my Essence for now, maybe looking into getting a better amp in the future.


After some enlightening PMs from MalVeauX, I'm looking to buy a pair of HD580 or 600s coupled with a Little Dot MKII amp instead of the AKGs. May pick up the amp when i can and ask for the cans for Christmas or something.


TL: DR -I want to upgrade from my AD700s and the HD580/600/650's peaked my interest. Input? Advice?
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As you have said, the AKGs are very neutral and analytical. Some people like that, others don't. It's really up to you, but you will hear a great improvement over your AD700s regardless of whether you choose the AKGs or Beyerdynamics.
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Either AKG 501, or HD600. DT800 wasn't my cup of tea but many like it as well. Say no to 701.
    
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Either AKG 501, or HD600. DT800 wasn't my cup of tea but many like it as well. Say no to 701.

I'll look into the 501 and HD600, but why do you suggest them?

Also, why not the 701?
    
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the 701/702 is a very good line of cans, debatably the best at that price range. I am thinking about getting some myself at one point down the road, need to get an amp as well.
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I feel that the 501 can do what the 701 did for me, at a better price with better mids. I would suggest HD600 because they are so well rounded for everything. Same could be said about the DT880. A lot of times when you go for more expensive headphones, it's not about how much more detailed they sound but more about how you take your music. People also tend to recognize response frequency more than the other tangible details.
    
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I was iffy about the K701 when I first got them, and nowadays I dislike them. Very airy to the point where no instrument has any "weight" to it, and the soundstage is artificially tweaked so that a symphony sounds like it spans the length of an entire football field.
    
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The AKG's will be much harder to drive amp wise than the beyerdynamics due to their low sensitivity. The AKG 701 / K702 is a a real 'love it or hate it' headphone. I'm more in the hate it crew. I would like to like it but yeah, the artificial soundstage that sounds like the extreme left and extreme right ends of the soundstage have been pinched and stretched gets to you. the K701 / K702 just doesn't have the imaging to match it's soundstage. You can have a wide soundstage that has great imaging and has coherency e.g. the Sennheiser HD800, gees, even the DT990 does a better job with a slightly smaller, but still large soundstage that sounds far more rounded. The AKG K701's soundstage sounds like a pre-Alpha version of the polished HD800 soundstage.

I truly feel the DT880 / 600 is the best headphone in it's price range overall, factoring in everything. Not perfect, but easily the best compromise of all the things you want in a headphone. Heard all the 'traditional favourites' in the price range, including the HD600, HD650, DT770's, DT990's. Combine the DT990 soundstage with the balanced sound signature of the DT880 = killer.

The K701 / K702 being 'neutral' or 'balanced sounding' is a joke. It is sub-bass recessed despite it's fanbois saying otherwise. Yes, don't get my started on K701 fanbois. the Q701 looks more balanced sounding (based on Headroom's graphs, even factoring in margin of error) which is good. the DT880 is easily the most detailed (for dynamic / moving coil headphones, haven't heard electrostatics) in the price range, besides the Sony SA5000.

That said, if you like the AD700, you will like the AKG x70x's.
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The AKG 701/702 are by far some of the best headphones available if you want to listen to instrumental music. They have a wonderful transparency that allows you to really hear the subtlety of the music you're listening to. As you said, they don't have a lot of bass but I don't think that's a bad thing. I always use them when I'm listening to folk/country/classical/some pop/singer, songwriter/guitar focused music, and lot's of other stuff. If the sound stage is too much for some, I cannot begin to understand how that would be a bad thing. You can get no sound stage with any off the shelf $30 pair of headphones.

Do not buy the Quincy Jones series. They are a marketing load of BS that Harmon Kardon forced AKG into when they acquired AKG. There is no merit to them for their price.

I like the K702 because of the removable cord, but that's kind of a novelty. Sometimes the K701 is much cheaper and that makes it a good bargain. With the K701 or K702 you will be thrilled. Sometimes on Amazon you can get a "Warehouse Deal" for around $230. I looked a few days ago and there was a K702 warehouse for $230. I would jump on that!
post #10 of 23
The AKG Q701 is no doubt marketing, but it does sound slightly different to the stock K701. Also it's not that the soundstage is too much, it's more the soundstage is faked and not well rounded at all. is the Q701 worth the paintjob and slightly different sound? Not in my opinion. I've listened to many a headphone that have big soundstages. I argue the DT880 is better for classical due to it's better timbre and balanced sound signature. The only advantage is K701 has got over the DT880 (600) is soundstage height.
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