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I'm building a new system. Currently I own 5 years old Dell Inspiron 6000 laptop with Pentium M 2.13Ghz. (1 core processor biggrin.gif). And it's about time to get new desktop PC.

As I didn't keep my finger on new PC technologies I just done my research now. I didn't have trouble choosing pc components for my new build.. apart from motherboard.

My processor choice is PHENOM II X6 1090T BLACK EDITION. But as I see AMD bulldozer is around the corner.



So I have trouble now.
I want a future proof motherboard in which I would put AMD 1090T processor.
I'm sure this processor will be fine for me for 3 more years. And when CPU change time will come I don't want to buy new motherboard, but keep the old one.

Another thing I'm not that fancy about Crossfirex/SLI support and expensive video cards because I might do some heavy video or photo editing from time to time or play one of exclusive PC titles, but this PC is not for gaming.

I see current AMD 880G and AMD 880Gx chipsets have an onboard video chipsets. I think I would be fine with those and I would save some $$, instead of buying new video card.
But wouldn't AMD 8xx serries chipset be too old if I would want to upgrade my processor after 3 years. Might I miss on big future CPU features if I would chose 8xx series instead of 9xx?
And what about AMD Llano? No need to buy a separate GPU? smile.gif


I'm so confused.
Should I go with AMD 8xx serries chipset and AMD 1090T for now?
or
Should I wait for more affordable AMD 9xx motherbords to come out and just buy AMD 1090T + cheaper video card?
or
Should I wait for more affordable AMD 9xx motherbords to come out and get upcoming AMD Llano so no need to buy separate video card?

Things I need in motherbord:
1. AM3+ support

2. UEFI BIOS

3. Average or better than average overclocking abilities


Things I don't care about in motherboard:
1. Automatic overclocking features like Turbo 25 / Turbo 30 on Asrock (it's a nice bonus to have it, but I think I can do manual overclocking just fine)

2. Crossfirex/SLI - I do all my gaming on xbox360. I'm interested only in PC exclusive titles like Civilization, Starcraft, Diablo 3 and I don't even need highest resolution. So I would be quite fine with on board video chipset.

3. loads of PCI card slots




Can someone please help me to solve this confusion? Maybe some motherbords recommendations?

Thank you in advance! smile.gif
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I'm so confused.
Should I go with AMD 8xx serries chipset and AMD 1090T for now?

1090t is a good processor but there are better options out there. I would go for a i7 860 over it in all honesty and get a value P55 board if you need something that will be good for a long time and is priced reasonably. Also the new i7 2600k severely beats a 1090t in almost everything. It even can beat the $1,000 980x in a majority of tests so the 1090t isn't the best option at this point in the game. The 2600k would be the best option f you want to spend more but get a big jump in performance.

Quote:
Should I wait for more affordable AMD 9xx motherbords to come out and just buy AMD 1090T + cheaper video card?

sounds like you don't upgrade much so a 9xx motherboard is pointless if u are getting a 1090t, 9xx is really for Bulldozer oven though a 1090t will work perfectly fine in a AM3+ it will just be more expensive.
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Should I wait for more affordable AMD 9xx motherbords to come out and get upcoming AMD Llano so no need to buy separate video card?


value 9 series such as the 960/985 probably wont be out until this fall. Also I don't believe Llano is for desktop use.
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Originally Posted by dlee7283;13915857 
1090t is a good processor but there are better options out there. I would go for a i7 860 over it in all honesty and get a value P55 board if you need something that will be good for a long time and is priced reasonably. Also the new i7 2600k severely beats a 1090t in almost everything. It even can beat the $1,000 980x in a majority of tests so the 1090t isn't the best option at this point in the game. The 2600k would be the best option f you want to spend more but get a big jump in performance.


sounds like you don't upgrade much so a 9xx motherboard is pointless if u are getting a 1090t, 9xx is really for Bulldozer oven though a 1090t will work perfectly fine in a AM3+ it will just be more expensive.


value 9 series such as the 960/985 probably wont be out until this fall. Also I don't believe Llano is for desktop use.

Thanks for a quick reply!

Yep I was also thinking about 2600k and 2500K.
But at this point, even if I don't upgrade that often, is quite tasty to have AM3+ board.. I can get 1090t, which is huge performance upgrade from my Pentium M, it will last for few years.. and when I will be lacking CPU power I might get a cheaper Bulldozer or maybe even newer generation CPU if of course it still will be able to be placed in to AM3+ socket.

I guess I'll stick to AMD 8xx chipset after all smile.gif
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AMD is still a dios choice. The 2600K is better than the 1090T but when Bulldozer releases in 3rd quarter, AMD will probably take the king of the hill. The problem with Intel is when you upgradex LGA1155 will not be compatable with the next release(ivyridge) causing you to keep your system or buying another motherboard.

That said, socket AM3+ is a nice solution. A simple purchase of a x 8 Bulldozer that is comparable. I just tested 890 chipset against 990 chipset another is no advantage. There has been no radical changes to the 990 chipsetsvwith the edition of 1 x PCIE slot to 990FXA, more SATA 6G ports and more USB 2.0 headers. The 890FX also remains the same with the exception of more USB headers and SATA 6G ports(more).

Overclocking and at all benchmarks remained exactly the same at stock and clock per clock between the respected 890/990FX and 890990FXA on the manufacturers older brother. For instance,vthe Gigabyte 890FXA-UD5 OC'd and benches exactly the same as the 990FXA-UD5.

That said I reviewed the ASRock 890GX-Extreme 4 rev 2 socket AM3+ motherboard and it was outstanding. It has onboard graphics and plenty of everything you need. At $150 a great glue sjdvwhen Bulldozer arrives, a simple CPU drop in with no installation of Widows. Plug n Play....


http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=1284

Hope this helps.
Edited by PureOC Jim - 6/18/11 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by dlee7283;13915857 
1090t is a good processor but there are better options out there. I would go for a i7 860 over it in all honesty and get a value P55 board if you need something that will be good for a long time and is priced reasonably. Also the new i7 2600k severely beats a 1090t in almost everything. It even can beat the $1,000 980x in a majority of tests so the 1090t isn't the best option at this point in the game. The 2600k would be the best option f you want to spend more but get a big jump in performance.




sounds like you don't upgrade much so a 9xx motherboard is pointless if u are getting a 1090t, 9xx is really for Bulldozer oven though a 1090t will work perfectly fine in a AM3+ it will just be more expensive.




value 9 series such as the 960/985 probably wont be out until this fall. Also I don't believe Llano is for desktop use.

A lot of facts not right here P55 is outdated. I would not even go there.2600K does not heat 990X core for core. Bulldozer should beat Sandy handly due to actual cores vs Intels Hyperthreading that does not share resources.

By no means am I saying Sandybridge is a bad choice but The AMD Platform makes sense too due to upgrade compatibility.
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Originally Posted by PureOC Jim;13918893 

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That said I reviewed the ASRock 890GX-Extreme 4 rev 2 socket AM3+ motherboard and it was outstanding. It has onboard graphics and plenty of everything you need. At $150 a great glue sjdvwhen Bulldozer arrives, a simple CPU drop in with no installation of Widows. Plug n Play....


http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=1284

Hope this helps.

Asrock 890GX Extreme4 R2.0 looks pretty sweet. Great value. Also onboard graphics is big plus. I'll keep my eye on it.

Thank you!
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A lot of facts not right here P55 is outdated. I would not even go there.2600K does not heat 990X core for core. Bulldozer should beat Sandy handly due to actual cores vs Intels Hyperthreading that does not share resources.

By no means am I saying Sandybridge is a bad choice but The AMD Platform makes sense too due to upgrade compatibility.

2600k is on par with the 980/990x in things that matter to most people. Of course the 990x has big advantages in certain areas but it is also $1,000....

P55 and and 860 processor are more than fine for years to come and can be had for the price a 1090t is. I would chose a 860 over a 1090t hands down as the i7 is superior arch wise. Economically it is the best choice at this stage in the game for price/performance. The 1090t is just slower in alot of games compared to even the x4 965.

Bulldozer isn't out yet and you are saying it already beats Sandy Bridge which is misinformation in itself.

My goal was to explore all his possible options. Dude seems like his heart is set on the 1090t, which is fine as long as he gets a 990 mobo and willing to spend more money.
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The best choice right now is either :

-Wait for Bulldozer and buy an hexacore which will be priced at around 250$ with a budget Mobo and a mainstream discrete graphics card (GTX 460 768mb/1GB which can be had for 100$ with MIRs)

-Or the better option, get a cheap Z68 board with a 2500k. This way you can get overclocking + quick sync + integrated gfx (although you might want to get the GTX 460). Then, you can upgrade to Ivy Bridge when you need more performance.

Good luck with your purchase!
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800 series won't support Turbo Boost 2.0 and a few other features in the FX Series processors, just so you know
There are tons more 900 series boards out available... judging by your requirements the ASUS M5A97 EVO seems perfect for you
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800 series won't support Turbo Boost 2.0 and a few other features in the FX Series processors, just so you know
There are tons more 900 series boards out available... judging by your requirements the ASUS M5A97 EVO seems perfect for you

Good point on Turbo boost but I am not sure that is correct..... There is nothing diferent about the 890 and 990 chipsets as just 1 more PCIE slot was added and more USB 2.0 Headers with more 6G sata ports.......but the old manual overclock will work. As I usnderstand, turbo with an FX chip will have a smart function that downclocks the chip when it gets unstable........ Some 890 Chipsets have socket AM3+ so Turbo boost 2.0 may work...
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