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So my current build is the following:

Case: Antec 902
PSU: Be Quiet 680W Modular
Mobo: MSI P67A-GD53 (B3)
RAM: Corsair Memory XMS3 4GB DDR3 1600 MHz
HDD: 1TB Samsung HD103SJ SpinPoint F3

As the price of the i7 2600k is slowly coming down at Aria, I shall be getting that instead of the planned i5 2500k. I'll probably enjoy the added ability in video encoding and folding I hope.

So I was originally planning on going for the 560ti, as it's the best card for the price. However for the last 2-4 weeks I've been reading in other threads about how even though it's great, 1GB of VRAM isn't that good and 1.5 is ideal and will give good overhead room, especially in SLI set-ups.

I'd love it if you guys could help me find which card would be suitable for me and if I'd need any extra cooling (I don't plan to go for water though).

Bear in mind, I live in the UK so Aria, Scan, OC UK and other cheap online stores are preferred.

What would be ideal:

Preferably MSI (due to the cooling, design and reliability I've had)
Preferably nVidia, however I am interested in the other side due to the VRAM and difference in price.
Good @ 1920X1080p (planned monitor)
Great @ folding, video encoding and gaming all round
30-60FPS in FFXIV (it's very demanding)
Maxs GTAIV, BF:BC2, Just Cause 2, planned gaming for BF3
Feedback/Experience running Source Engine games (L4D1/2, TF2, Gmod)

Under £250 (excluding VAT)

Questions:

Something else I've been seeing is how the newer cards generally have lower core clocks. Why is that? For example the 560ti is 822, 880 or 950 Mhz, whereas the 570 is 732 or 770 Mhz.

How important are stream processors?
What is a good baseline shader clock to go for?
Is there an estimated month when the next set of cards for ATI and nVidia are to be released? As I imagine the prices go down for older series cards then.

Cards that are interesting me:

MSI GTX560ti TFII
MSI GTX570 TFIII
MSI ATI Radeon 6950 TFIII
MSI ATI Radeon 6970
Edited by Zippyduda - 8/1/11 at 8:08am
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Just in my opinion, the amount of VRAM doesn't matter past 1 Gb unless you have display resolutions of greater than 1920x1080, or multiple monitor setups. So don't worry about that unless your planning such in the future.

You PSU should power one card just fine, and probably two as well.

I'm an AMD man myself, so what I would suggest is a 6950 for right now, you can probably clock it pretty close to a 6970 and it's a great card for the price.
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Just in my opinion, the amount of VRAM doesn't matter past 1 Gb unless you have display resolutions of greater than 1920x1080, or multiple monitor setups. So don't worry about that unless your planning such in the future.

You PSU should power one card just fine, and probably two as well.

I'm an AMD man myself, so what I would suggest is a 6950 for right now, you can probably clock it pretty close to a 6970 and it's a great card for the price.
I do plan to have two 1920X1080 monitors, but not for a good 6-10 months. Thanks for the advice so far
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well i know i am going to get flamed.... but i would say a asus 480 overclockers.co.uk have then at nice prices now.... and if you wait a bit you get them new at 200. so that leaves you the extra for a ssd.

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Originally Posted by Zippyduda View Post
So my current build is the following:

Case: Antec 902
PSU: Be Quiet 680W Modular
Mobo: MSI P67A-GD53 (B3)
RAM: Corsair Memory XMS3 4GB DDR3 1600 MHz
HDD: 1TB Samsung HD103SJ SpinPoint F3

As the price of the i7 2600k is slowly coming down at Aria, I shall be getting that instead of the planned i5 2500k. I'll probably enjoy the added ability in video encoding and folding I hope.

So I was originally planning on going for the 560ti, as it's the best card for the price. However for the last 2-4 weeks I've been reading in other threads about how even though it's great, 1GB of VRAM isn't that good and 1.5 is ideal and will give good overhead room, especially in SLI set-ups.

I'd love it if you guys could help me find which card would be suitable for me and if I'd need any extra cooling (I don't plan to go for water though).

Bear in mind, I live in the UK (so Aria, Scan, OC UK etc.) and will be buying without VAT so the cost will be reduced quite a bit.

What would be ideal:

Preferably MSI (due to the cooling, design and reliability I've had)
Preferably nVidia, however I am interested in the other side due to the VRAM and difference in price.
Good @ 1920X1080p (planned monitor)
Great @ folding, video encoding and gaming all round
30-60FPS in FFXIV (it's very demanding)
Maxs GTAIV, BF:BC2, Just Cause 2, planned gaming for BF3
Feedback/Experience running Source Engine games (L4D1/2, TF2, Gmod)

Under £300 (excluding VAT)

Questions:

Something else I've been seeing is how the newer cards generally have lower core clocks. Why is that? For example the 560ti is 822, 880 or 950 Mhz, whereas the 570 is 732 or 770 Mhz.

How important are stream processors?
What is a good baseline shader clock to go for?
Is there an estimated month when the next set of cards for ATI and nVidia are to be released? As I imagine the prices go down for older series cards then.

Cards that are interesting me:

MSI GTX560ti TFIII Hawk
MSI GTX570 TFIII
MSI GTX580 TFII
MSI HD 6950 TFIII
MSI HD6970
I was going to suggest two cards to choose from, either MSI GTX 560ti TFIII Hawk or MSI AMD HD 6950 TFIII. Two important things your doing however leave only one as the best option.

One, you said 1920x1080p single monitor, here more VRM isn't going to help performance in the slightest.

Two, you said great folding card, here CUDA cores helps tremendously.

The TFIII is the better cooling solution and I strongly reccomend the GTX 560ti TFIII Hawk as the best card for what your looking into using it for. In time when gaming starts to catch up with you, a second card in SLI is going to be awesome solution. The MSI GTX 560ti TFIIII Hawk can over clock to the 1Ghz Core and has no issues at all. Drivers are rock solid. 270.61 and 275.33. Last two driver updates really focused on the 560 & 580 performance greatly.

Side benefit will be better 3D performance if you should decide on a 120Hz 1920x1080p monitor now or later. I have been looking into 3D vision for quite some time and did a LOT of homework and Nvidia renders 3D without third party software and does 3D better.

Good luck and post back after pulling the trigger and let us know which you decided.
     
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Resolution isn't the only thing that effects VRAM usage. The higher anti aliasing levels you use, you will use more VRAM. It is NOT implossible to surpass 1GB of VRAM @ 1920x1080. I say find yourself a cheap GTX 480. The prices have come down a lot because of the 500 series and it will perform much better than a 560 and has the added benefit of 1.5GB VRAM
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I play Crysis 2 with all settings turned up including AA maxed. 1920x1080p Highest VRM I use at full throttle is 948mb per GPU-Z log.
     
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Thought I'd bump this thread once to see what people think I should get again
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