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Hello people,
as iv said before, im kinda new to OCing, but i wanna get in to it
but i dont like the idea of just messing around on my 1.5K+ system and maybe screwing something up.
so my question is, what kind of system would you advice my to practice OCing.
i want something that i very good OCable.
i need a second computer anyway so i dont have a problem with spending SOME money on it, but not too much.
things i need to know:
CPU
mobo
ram

it might be a bit outdated because that computer would be just a second computer for office work and that kind of things, and of course OC practice

thanks
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if you want a cheap system to overclock, I would look on the market, see if you can get a decent AMD motherboard with a Phenom II black edition chip in it. That will help you get a good idea on how to overclock.
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I second what "trash' has said. Working with an unlocked multiplyier cpu is a good way to break into overclocking. If you can spend a bit more and want to learn more buy a Gigabyte EP45-UD3P and overclock locked multi cpu's. Suprisingly the socket 775 mobo's and memory (DDR2) is more expensive than stuff that was new 3 years ago.

If you just want something to practice,work on identifying the different fields in the BIOS. There is a lot of stuff there but much you will not touch. See if you can identify which is something to concern yourself with and what is to leave alone.
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I second what "trash' has said. Working with an unlocked multiplyier cpu is a good way to break into overclocking. If you can spend a bit more and want to learn more buy a Gigabyte EP45-UD3P and overclock locked multi cpu's. Suprisingly the socket 775 mobo's and memory (DDR2) is more expensive than stuff that was new 3 years ago.
why would you advice using locked multi cpus? i'd say those are easier to oc?
edit: easier is not the best thing when learning something, i realise now
edit2: what do you think about e2160+ GA-EP45-UD3P
Edited by robijnix - 6/18/11 at 1:34pm
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why would you advice using locked multi cpus? i'd say those are easier to oc?
edit: easier is not the best thing when learning something, i realise now
edit2: what do you think about e2160+ GA-EP45-UD3P
The locked mutliplier chips require more adjustments to more settings to get them stable.

With an unlocked multi you mainly change the multi and then add voltage for stability.

with the locked multi you really have to adjust the NB, ram, and other voltages to keep stability. Normally a FSB overclock is stronger then a Multi overclock. Depends on the platform and the chip.

the new Sandy bridge systems are unable to overclock using the baseclock, you are forced to use the multi.
post #6 of 21
robi,I am going to have to paraphrase your question as it is not really clear what you are asking. Are you asking why I say that overclocking a locked multi cpu is harder? do you know what happens when you move whatever your paticular brand of mobo calls what used to commonly be called a "front side bus"?You will learn a lot more working with locked multi cpu's.In fact unlocked multi cpu overclocking could be called 'cheating" by some.

With an unlocked multi all you do is move the multi (and you can move it a long way on the 955 before you must move any thing else). Starting out on unlocked multis is much easier.
Edited by PCCstudent - 6/18/11 at 2:19pm
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post #7 of 21
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robi,I am going to have to paraphrase your question as it is not really clear what you are asking. Are you asking why I say that overclocking a locked multi cpu is harder? do you know what happens when you move whatever your paticular brand of mobo calls what used to commonly be called a "front side bus"?You will learn a lot more working with locked multi cpu's.In fact unlocked multi cpu overclocking could be called 'cheating" by some.

With an unlocked multi all you do is move the multi (and you can move it a long way on the 955 before you must move any thing else). Starting out on unlocked multis is much easier.
Yea my english isnt all that good sorry
but anyway, i understand what you mean.
but cant you OC a cpu with unlocked multi by raising the fsb? i know this isnt possible on sandy bridge cpus, but what about other types?
because if you can raise the multi, and the fsb, that would be the best way i gues?
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Yes you can also raise the "fsb" even if the multi is unlocked.Many people experiment with finding a "sweet spot" working with both even though the 955BE that is mentioned with give a 600MHz overclock with just a multi and a voltage bump. At times (those times being when you want to see more that just a fast clock) people will experiment to see what combination gets the most work done. This type of overclocking is a bit above the basic, but not above where you can be with just some hours reading.

Just so you do not get caught up by the "terminology police" see if you can make a list or chart that details the different names given to different parts of the BIOS by different manufactures.For one "front side bus" is not used with such frequency that it used to be. This is what I mean when I say to become comfortable with the different terms used.
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post #9 of 21
There may not be a cheap or easy answer for you. You could look on ebay for a combo or used system, but you'll have to know if the CPU/mobo/RAM is proper for good overclocking. If you're new to this, you won't know.

The other problem is, the newer intels are overclocked very much differently than older architectures, so it won't be the same when you move to your sig rig.

In any case, the E6600 is quite overclockable, very hard to kill and still pretty useful in a PC. Otherwise for very cheap, look for something like an AMD 4200+ X2 on a board like an ASUS A8N SLI with some PC3200. That combo can still run Win 7, they overclock nicely and are useable as a browser/workstation.

Maybe some of us can point to some ebay listings if we have the time....
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post #10 of 21
This would be pretty ideal if it stays cheap, if the CPU is E0 stepping and the RAM is DDR2 1066:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Gigabyte-GA-EP45...item4aac085da2
Edited by 2thAche - 6/18/11 at 8:43pm
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Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate HP tSS-25X11LED 25" 1080p PC Power&Cooling Silentpower 910W Xigmatek Elysium 
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