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[Phonedog]Is Microsoft's decision to allow for jailbreaking devices a good thing?

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To be honest, I’m not exactly sure when it happened, but it obviously happened. There was a change in the way that consumers buy things. Specifically, there’s a tricky situation where you buy something, and someone somewhere doesn’t really think you own it. Sure, you bought it, and you bought everything that came with it (software, hardware, accessories that came in the box), but someone somewhere decided that after you buy it, you can’t do much with it. To be even more precise here, we’re talking about the developers out there who want full access to their phone. Of course, companies like Sony, and in the mobile phone market especially Apple, don’t want you to be able to have access to your phone after you buy it.

Microsoft had the same mentality when they first launched their brand new mobile operating system, better known as Windows Phone 7, but recently the company’s position has changed drastically. That development team is known as ChevronWP7, and it hasn’t been a secret that they’ve been not necessarily a thorn in Microsoft’s side since the release of Windows Phone 7, but more like a gentle shove in the right direction. A constant, gentle shove in the right direction. And while it’s been apparent that Microsoft and the team at ChevronWP7 have been getting friendlier as time went by, I think news that Microsoft has actually come over to the side of the developers is huge.

The developers at ChevronWP7 have announced that they will be working with Microsoft to allow folks to unlock their devices, no matter the manufacturer, for a small fee. That’s right – the service isn’t going to be free, but at least it exists. For those who have an iPhone, and have tried to jailbreak it, then you know that Apple doesn’t take too kindly to that kind of action. However, the iPhone Dev Team has made it possible, if not down-right easy in most instances, for pretty much anyone to jailbreak their iPhone. This service is free, but it’s not an action that Apple “allows.â€

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I find this pretty interesting, basically Micosoft is saying, "Sure, jailbreak, we'll even help you!" ... Thoughts?
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i would say yes, atleast they're going to admit that the improvements on their phone are from jailbreaks. unlike apple, where they don't accept jailbreaking but their phone updates clearly came from what's in Cydia.
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Awesome, hopefully we'll more of this as time goes on. When these markets get really big one of the only ways a company will be able to differentiate their product will be by allowing consumers more access and control.
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People aren't going to like this for the same reason they don't like day 1 DLC.

You pay ~$500 for a phone and they have the audacity to hold back features unless you pay more?

People will just copy whatever methods they use and do it for free.



WP7 is a fairly nice mobile OS, but its missing a ton of things. Unfortunately its so locked up that 3rd party developers can't do anything to change it.


It has no apps, no features, and Microsoft has full control over what hardware its allowed to run on. The only way to get people to care about it is to open it up. Let the guys over at XDA start adding the missing functionality into the device, then copy those ideas and incorporate them into the next software update. That's how Apple gets all of the features for iOS.
    
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People aren't going to like this for the same reason they don't like day 1 DLC.

You pay ~$500 for a phone and they have the audacity to hold back features unless you pay more?

People will just copy whatever methods they use and do it for free.



WP7 is a fairly nice mobile OS, but its missing a ton of things. Unfortunately its so locked up that 3rd party developers can't do anything to change it.


It has no apps, no features, and Microsoft has full control over what hardware its allowed to run on. The only way to get people to care about it is to open it up. Let the guys over at XDA start adding the missing functionality into the device, then copy those ideas and incorporate them into the next software update. That's how Apple gets all of the features for iOS.
Who pays $500? Most people get the discounted contract price. But regardless, I think a lot of people won't see it any worse than paying month to month to use the phone.

"Waiit, you mean I get charged a data fee every month to use this thing!!1 >_<"

No features are being held back, much less to say, you can unlock the potential of a computer and overclock it for free, there's people out there that pay to have companies (alienware) do it for them.

Basically, the phone is sold as is, stock, they are merely giving the option to change that. Some people might rather not unlock it in fear of it creating a problem (my grandma wouldn't want her iPhone unlocked, for example).

Finally, you saying Windows Phone 7 has no features/apps either means you're trolling, or you've been living under a rock.

I'm not questioning that Android and the iPhone have more apps, but the Windows platform has a fairly significant amount of apps, and in a short period of time.

Which apps does it not have that you need? Some type of fart app? I'm sure if you send an email out to Microsoft, they'll get working on it for ya.

In all seriousness, Microsoft has even made it even easier to port Android apps over to Windows Phone 7 for developers.

Features I guess is subjective. You feel they're missing some, I have read many happy Windows Phone 7 users that seem to enjoy what it's offering now.

Ah, and let's not forget the upcoming (this fall) Mango update. That's not too far off. Keep in mind, Microsoft is late in the game, and this update will put it at the iPhone and Android level relatively fast.

Microsoft choosing to keep control over the hardware is actually a positive thing. They want to be sure that when people buy a Windows Phone, they're buying a consitently quality device. Call it "Quality Control", it saves people from getting crappy theme overlays like Touchwiz or Motoblur.

In fact, check out this article from Wired.com that talks about this more in depth.

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I'm an iPhone 4 user, previous phone was an iPhone 3gS. For the record. I have never owned one of these phones, so my views as based on what I have read and researched.
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I put the SD card from my Desire into the Focus I got for testing and was disappointed when I couldn't use any of the media on it. Everything has to go through Zune.

I downloaded an eBook reader, and the only way I could get a book on it was setting up a Calibre server on my PC and downloading through the App. On Android I just copy the file onto SD and open it using Aldiko.

If I stuck my SD card in another Android phone I would still have all of my music/movies/books, but WP7 is so locked down its like a miniaturized version of iOS.

As for apps:

-No music or video players
-No browsers, not even Opera Mini, which isn't even a browser
-No keyboards
-No decent games, and everything costs money
-No ftp server
-No file manager

I'm not even an App person, and I'm bothered. For someone coming from an iPhone it would be a huge shock.

In general, the marketplace has 16 categories. In each category there will be 2-10 serious apps, and the rest will just be spam. And the apps that you do actually want will cost 3-4x as much as they do on iOS or Android, if they cost anything at all.


And the OS itself...
-No centralized notifications
-No multitasking, not even a proper back stack
-Browser is based on IE7, and can barely render pages. Flash is nonexistant.
-No customizability (as much as I like the Metro UI it needs to be more flexible)

and everything else I said in my review.


Overall, WP7 would compete well with the original iPhone and pre 1.6 Android. Microsoft has a lot of ground to gain, and if they want to be competitive they need to do something drastic. Locking the phone down as much as they have isn't helping. The OS feels more like a mock prototype than some thing they would actually want to support. Right now they are only just keeping pace with iOS and Android, which means they will keep being 4 years behind, and 4 years in the smartphone industry is eternity.

Rigidly locking the device specs isn't helping either. I'm sure Samsung wasn't happy about being forced to use Snapdragon instead of Hummingbird. And how long before we see a dual core WP7? Its going to be hard selling an app-less, feature-less phone that's also significantly slower than the competition.

They're lucky most Android phones are still using 800x480 screens. If that were to change significantly then WP7 would be even further behind. Does Microsoft even have plans to change the resolution, or are they going to pull an Apple and restrict it to black bars and linear increases with basic scaling?

By the time Mango is released we'll have iOS 5 and Android 4.0, and by the time WP7 catches up Apple will have stolen Android 4.0's features and put them in iOS 6, and Android will be doing something completely new.
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I put the SD card from my Desire into the Focus I got for testing and was disappointed when I couldn't use any of the media on it. Everything has to go through Zune.
Yes, I have read that you need to use Microsoft Certified SD cards, it's unfortunate, but you probably should have researched a bit beforehand. That's not the phones fault.

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I downloaded an eBook reader, and the only way I could get a book on it was setting up a Calibre server on my PC and downloading through the App. On Android I just copy the file onto SD and open it using Aldiko.
What about the ? Works great for Windows Phone 7.

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If I stuck my SD card in another Android phone I would still have all of my music/movies/books, but WP7 is so locked down its like a miniaturized version of iOS.
Oh, I see. You are trying to put books you already own on the device. What file types are they? And you're saying you cannot put your movies or music on the phone either? I find this hard to believe and contrary to the many other people that own Windows Phone 7 and have zero issue. If this is simple a matter of the SD card not working, well, we already went over that.

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As for apps:

-No music or video players
-No browsers, not even Opera Mini, which isn't even a browser
-No keyboards
-No decent games, and everything costs money
-No ftp server
-No file manager
It has a YouTube app that plays video just fine. It has Netflix. It has a built in video camera that I believe records 720p. I spoke with a rep at Hulu and was told they are working on an app and will have it out ASAP. So, for most people, that's plenty of "video" for them.

Sure, it's missing certain elements (silverlight, flash, html5, DivX/XviD), but those will likely be delivered with the upcoming Mango update (did you read the link?), and honestly, they are pushing this out fairly fast, complaints seem premature so early in the game.

As far as music is concerned: Last.fm, iheartradio, RadioHub, TuneIn Radio, etc. There's tons more.

No decent games?? Well, this is subjective I guess. Games I would like to play: Sonic The Hedgehog 4, Doodle Jump, Pro Evolution Soccer 2011, Pacman (XD), Tetris (XD), Assassins Creed Altairs Chronicles, Earthworm Jim, The Harvest, Fruit Ninja, Need for Speed Undercover, etc.

Admittedly their catalog doesn't come close to what the iPhone has, but I'd be happy with these until more get released.

Not familiar with Android to judge.

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I'm not even an App person, and I'm bothered. For someone coming from an iPhone it would be a huge shock.
Admittedly I don't own a Windows Phone 7 device, but I hate knocking things so early. The thing just got released November 8, 2010. From what I have read, this Mango update will literally put Windows Phone 7 in the same league as Android and the iPhone.

I'm not saying in it's current state it's "better", but let's be fair here.

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In general, the marketplace has 16 categories. In each category there will be 2-10 serious apps, and the rest will just be spam. And the apps that you do actually want will cost 3-4x as much as they do on iOS or Android, if they cost anything at all.
Can you list these apps for me? I'm downloading Zune Market Place on my computer right now to see exactly what they have to offer. from what I have read, they seem to have similar apps to iPhone and Android.

I looked into the apps, and honestly, they are pretty much the same prices as the iPhone. And in all honesty, how many apps do you need? If you look in a category, and there's 2-10 good apps, well, that's about how it is looking for apps on my iPhone. XP


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And the OS itself...
-No centralized notifications
-No multitasking, not even a proper back stack
-Browser is based on IE7, and can barely render pages. Flash is nonexistant.
-No customizability (as much as I like the Metro UI it needs to be more flexible)

and everything else I said in my review.
Once again, all this will be addressed in the Mango update. You're reviewing a new product, that just got released not long ago. And in a few months, these very issues are going to be addressed, and yet, you're still complaining?

Is this just a matter of not liking Microsoft, or are they just not fast enough for you?

I'm not trying to be snide, it's just, I find it interesting you wouldn't be pleased that all the problems you are having is actually going to be addressed. I would be estatic. Wow, they are listening. Wow, they're gonna fix these problems.

Instead, you are beating a dead horse.


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Overall, WP7 would compete well with the original iPhone and pre 1.6 Android. Microsoft has a lot of ground to gain, and if they want to be competitive they need to do something drastic. Locking the phone down as much as they have isn't helping. The OS feels more like a mock prototype than some thing they would actually want to support. Right now they are only just keeping pace with iOS and Android, which means they will keep being 4 years behind, and 4 years in the smartphone industry is eternity.
Yeah, like I said, you're beating a dead horse. Your talking points are literally baseless. You totally overlook the fact that they just came out with this phone, and they are already rolling out a majour update that will literally put the phone at the same level as both the Android and iPhone (iOS 5 even). (I'm repeating myself I know)

So no, it won't be 4 years behind.

Also, no disrespect to you, but I'm sure Microsoft understands pretty well on how to be competitive.

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Rigidly locking the device specs isn't helping either. I'm sure Samsung wasn't happy about being forced to use Snapdragon instead of Hummingbird. And how long before we see a dual core WP7? Its going to be hard selling an app-less, feature-less phone that's also significantly slower than the competition.
Um, right now the specs the phone currently has works well. In fact, I would say based on what I've read that Windows Phone 7 performs better than Android. Faster, more fluid, etc. While Android Phones (especially those with Motoblur) tend to lag even with a dual core.

I haven't spoken with Samsung, but given they are rolling out Windows Phone 7, they must not be that upset.

Windows Phone 7 has a lot of great apps, it actually has most of the apps I use, which apps is it missing for you? You never specify, you just keep making the same talking point. Could you list the paticular apps you need that it's missing?

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They're lucky most Android phones are still using 800x480 screens. If that were to change significantly then WP7 would be even further behind. Does Microsoft even have plans to change the resolution, or are they going to pull an Apple and restrict it to black bars and linear increases with basic scaling?
The screen resolution is fine, regardless. Much like Android still using that resulotion while the iPhone 4 uses 960x640 doesn't change the fact that Android's have nice screens.

It's still early, but I have a feeling when Nokia rolls out their phones (this fall), you'll be pleseantly surprised.

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By the time Mango is released we'll have iOS 5 and Android 4.0, and by the time WP7 catches up Apple will have stolen Android 4.0's features and put them in iOS 6, and Android will be doing something completely new.
I'm gonna wait and see what happens, instead of having a defeatist attitude about everything.
Edited by Miki - 6/19/11 at 6:18am
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Yes, I have read that you need to use Microsoft Certified SD cards, it's unfortunate, but you probably should have researched a bit beforehand. That's not the phones fault.
No, my SD card works. It was detected properly. What I'm talking about is the need to use Zune to sync everything. You said you use an iPhone so you probably don't realize that's not normal. On my Android phone I can just drag and drop music/videos/whatever to my SD card an Android will detect them automatically. No need to connect to a PC or use any stupid software.

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What about the Amazon Kindle app? Works great for Windows Phone 7.
It does work great. I put a textbook I own on there to test, and it worked well (aside from AMOLED's tendency to blur text).

It only lets you use content you've bought through Amazon though, and again, you have to sync it with Amazon's servers.

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Oh, I see. You are trying to put books you already own on the device. What file types are they? And you're saying you cannot put your movies or music on the phone either? I find this hard to believe and contrary to the many other people that own Windows Phone 7 and have zero issue.
Its not an issue as long as you use Zune. But what if you don't have Windows? What if you're a mac owner or you use linux, or you're at work or school or on vacation and want to add something to your phone? You'd have to go all the way back to your house and plug it into your computer.

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It has a YouTube app that plays video just fine. It has Netflix. It has a built in video camera that I believe records 720p. I spoke with a rep at Hulu and was told they are working on an app and will have it out ASAP. So, for most people, that's plenty of "video" for them.
Those aren't video players. Those are streaming services. Again you said you use an iPhone so you probably don't realize that actual video apps exist. If you put a video on the SD card you will only be able to play it using WP7's built in video player. Now, WP7 has a pretty good video support, but the player sucks. You can't even skip ahead! You have to slowly fastforward.

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As far as music is concerned: Last.fm, iheartradio, RadioHub, TuneIn Radio, etc. There's tons more.
Again, streaming radio apps are not music apps. On the iPhone you have to use their music player (which probably isn't a problem since its very nice), but on Android you have options. In addition to the stock player you have Winamp, DoubleTwist, MixZing, PowerAMP, Cubed, and a dozen more!

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No decent games?? Well, this is subjective I guess. Games I would like to play: Sonic The Hedgehog 4, Doodle Jump, Pro Evolution Soccer 2011, Pacman (XD), Tetris (XD), Assassins Creed Altairs Chronicles, Earthworm Jim, The Harvest, Fruit Ninja, Need for Speed Undercover, etc.
Fruit Ninja costs $2 more on WP7 than Android. Doodle Jump $2.50 more, Pacman is $4 more, Tetris is $2.50 more, PES 2011 is $2.50 more, Assassin's Creed is $0.50 more, Earthworm Jim shockingly isn't on Android, since Gameloft makes it for every other device on the planet, but its still $0.50 cheaper on iOS. NFSU isn't on Android, but it does have it's newer, better sibling Shift, and its $0.50 cheaper.

The big third-party titles will be available on every platform. My beef with them on WP7 was more to do with the price. $12.50 more on WP7 than Android. That's like an extra 10 apps you could have downloaded.


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Admittedly I don't own a Windows Phone 7 device, but I hate knocking things so early. The thing just got released November 8, 2010. From what I have read, this Mango update will literally put Windows Phone 7 in the same league as Android and the iPhone.
Mango is mostly a dev update. They are releasing APIs to help developers make better apps, rather than improving their OS.

All Mango really brings is IE9 and multitasking. I have my doubts about IE9, since it's PC counterpart fails on both the speed and the standards compliance. Multitasking should be nice, if they can pull it off without bugs or background apps draining battery. In Android we have apps for that, but will Microsoft allow WP7 devs to do the same?

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I looked into the apps, and honestly, they are pretty much the same prices as the iPhone. And in all honesty, how many apps do you need? If you look in a category, and there's 2-10 good apps, well, that's about how it is looking for apps on my iPhone. XP
I personally don't need apps, but they seem to be important to people. I listed what I use in my previous post. Its not so much the number of apps but usefulness of those apps. In my opinion Android has way more apps than iOS and WP7 simply because you can do more with them. I can run an FTP server and remotely access my phone's storage, I can download torrents right onto the phone, I can use my own keyboard(Swype), my own music player(Winamp), my own web browser that's not just a reskinned iSafari with slower javascript like on iOS(Opera/Firefox), I can download any kind of file directly onto my phone through a browser, and open it. I can replace my homescreen, backup my OS onto SD and install a new, completely different ROM on-the-fly without ever plugging it in!

Basically what I'm trying to say is Microsoft is copying the wrong OS. They should base WP7 off of Android instead of iOS. Their entire company is based off of their decision to make DOS run as many apps as possible on as many different computers. That's how they beat Apple in the 80s. Had they just tried to copy them by releasing expensive devices with limited features like they are doing now they would have lost.

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Um, right now the specs the phone currently has works well. In fact, I would say based on what I've read that Windows Phone 7 performs better than Android. Faster, more fluid, etc. While Android Phones (especially those with Motoblur) tend to lag even with a dual core.
The phone specs do work well. Ironically Microsoft has chosen the exact same hardware I'm running on my phone, so every WP7 on the market is running the same cpu and same gpu at the same resolution as mine, and my Desire running Gingerbread Sense is just as smooth as WP7. What Motorola and Samsung choose to do with their software is their problem. Given enough time I'm sure their figure out how to slow WP7 down too. Stock Android(and the newer versions of Sense) is just as smooth as WP7, while doing a heck of a lot more.

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The screen resolution is fine, regardless. Much like Android still using that resulotion while the iPhone 4 uses 960x640 doesn't change the fact that Android's have nice screens.
Its fine now, but in the future? Next year we could all be using 1280x800 screens, and 800x480 could be the new 480x320. Does Microsoft have any plans to accommodate this? Or are they pulling another "640k is all you'll ever need"... Android apps will work the same whether they are 1280x800 or 800x480 without any additional programming, but since Microsoft isn't even allowing a change it makes me think the resolution is hard-coded like it is in iOS, and changing it would break every app on the market.
    
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No, my SD card works. It was detected properly. What I'm talking about is the need to use Zune to sync everything. You said you use an iPhone so you probably don't realize that's not normal. On my Android phone I can just drag and drop music/videos/whatever to my SD card an Android will detect them automatically. No need to connect to a PC or use any stupid software.
I am beginning to understand the real issue now. You're making this an Windows Phone 7 vs Android issue. I think "Normal" is fairly subjective.

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It does work great. I put a textbook I own on there to test, and it worked well (aside from AMOLED's tendency to blur text).

It only lets you use content you've bought through Amazon though, and again, you have to sync it with Amazon's servers.
Well, AMOLED isn't a Windows Phone 7 issue. Syncing with Amazon servers is an issue I guess? Hm, I guess this goes back to what you can do on a Android vs iPhone and Windows Phone 7.

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Its not an issue as long as you use Zune. But what if you don't have Windows? What if you're a mac owner or you use linux, or you're at work or school or on vacation and want to add something to your phone? You'd have to go all the way back to your house and plug it into your computer.
Um, you might have missed the memo, but Microsoft does support OS X. Not too sure about Lunix though, but I woudln't doubt it.


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Again you said you use an iPhone so you probably don't realize that actual video apps exist.
Ah, must be the good 'ol Android vs All other smartphones that don't do what Android does ordeal. Not really about Windows Phone 7 being good or not.

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Again, streaming radio apps are not music apps. On the iPhone you have to use their music player (which probably isn't a problem since its very nice), but on Android you have options. In addition to the stock player you have Winamp, DoubleTwist, MixZing, PowerAMP, Cubed, and a dozen more!
The music player on the iPhone is better than all those apps for Android, imo. And, I wouldn't be surprised if Windows Phone 7 has a better music player as well. Guess this is open for debate.


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Fruit Ninja costs $2 more on WP7 than Android. Doodle Jump $2.50 more, Pacman is $4 more, Tetris is $2.50 more, PES 2011 is $2.50 more, Assassin's Creed is $0.50 more, Earthworm Jim shockingly isn't on Android, since Gameloft makes it for every other device on the planet, but its still $0.50 cheaper on iOS. NFSU isn't on Android, but it does have it's newer, better sibling Shift, and its $0.50 cheaper.
Interesting, well, Android has the advantage with cheaper games I guess. Doesn't make the Windows Phone 7 a bad phone.

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The big third-party titles will be available on every platform. My beef with them on WP7 was more to do with the price. $12.50 more on WP7 than Android. That's like an extra 10 apps you could have downloaded.
I think Windows Phone 7 over all is a better phone. More fluid, faster, better UI. Just my opinion. I like Android and I have considered (still do) trying it for myself, but I have read plenty of reviews of bugginess, slowdowns, not handing multitasking great, crashing, etc.


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Mango is mostly a dev update. They are releasing APIs to help developers make better apps, rather than improving their OS.

All Mango really brings is IE9 and multitasking. I have my doubts about IE9, since it's PC counterpart fails on both the speed and the standards compliance. Multitasking should be nice, if they can pull it off without bugs or background apps draining battery. In Android we have apps for that, but will Microsoft allow WP7 devs to do the same?
Mango is a lot more than you are giving credit. Did you bother to read the link I posted? Fact is that it'll be about 500+ new features added in, and you don't know all the new features. You're discrediting it to give more weight to your talking points, and apparent bias to Android and the way Android does things.

I can't comment much on Android but I will say that I have read more people saying how well Windows Phone 7 performs, and not so much for Android. Even with a dual core.

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I personally don't need apps, but they seem to be important to people. I listed what I use in my previous post. Its not so much the number of apps but usefulness of those apps. In my opinion Android has way more apps than iOS and WP7 simply because you can do more with them. I can run an FTP server and remotely access my phone's storage, I can download torrents right onto the phone, I can use my own keyboard(Swype), my own music player(Winamp), my own web browser that's not just a reskinned iSafari with slower javascript like on iOS(Opera/Firefox), I can download any kind of file directly onto my phone through a browser, and open it. I can replace my homescreen, backup my OS onto SD and install a new, completely different ROM on-the-fly without ever plugging it in!
The apps will come with time. Android took even longer to get the point MS is at right now. And in time MS will pass Android up, imo. It's a cleaner OS, looks nicer, etc.

Everything you're talking about is great, but doesn't really make the Windows Phone 7 a bad phone, you just prefer what you have.

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Basically what I'm trying to say is Microsoft is copying the wrong OS. They should base WP7 off of Android instead of iOS. Their entire company is based off of their decision to make DOS run as many apps as possible on as many different computers. That's how they beat Apple in the 80s. Had they just tried to copy them by releasing expensive devices with limited features like they are doing now they would have lost.
And that's exactly what I thought. You want it to be an Android. Microsoft isn't copying anyone. In fact, many could argue Android copied Apple... and it did, in many ways. Sure, it's more 'open', but let's be honest.

Windows Phone 7 is allowed to run on on HTC, Nokia, Samsung, Acer, LG, etc. Apple iPhone can only run on Apple iPhone. Am I missing something here?

Features will come in time. It's limited because it is NEW. Dude, seriously, it's kind of annoying how you fail to get that. Fanboyism to the max, huh?


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The phone specs do work well. Ironically Microsoft has chosen the exact same hardware I'm running on my phone, so every WP7 on the market is running the same cpu and same gpu at the same resolution as mine, and my Desire running Gingerbread Sense is just as smooth as WP7. What Motorola and Samsung choose to do with their software is their problem. Given enough time I'm sure their figure out how to slow WP7 down too. Stock Android(and the newer versions of Sense) is just as smooth as WP7, while doing a heck of a lot more.
Microsoft wants consistent results, a good experience. That's why they give the specifications. That's why in EVERY review the person is raving about how fluid and fast the phone is. When new features get added, I'm sure MS will adjust the specs to match them.

Unlike reviews for Android phones, which are generally mixed in terms of performance.

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Its fine now, but in the future? Next year we could all be using 1280x800 screens, and 800x480 could be the new 480x320. Does Microsoft have any plans to accommodate this? Or are they pulling another "640k is all you'll ever need"... Android apps will work the same whether they are 1280x800 or 800x480 without any additional programming, but since Microsoft isn't even allowing a change it makes me think the resolution is hard-coded like it is in iOS, and changing it would break every app on the market.
This is 2011, I am not able to read into the future. Let's discuss what we do know. I'm sure it's nice playing the know-it-all, but I think it's better to keep an open mind and let things play out before making assumptions about what a multi billion dollar company is going to roll out with in the coming years.
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