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Originally Posted by Mikecdm;13933502 
No actual fact here, but I lean to the way of thinking of DOM. These cards are built like tanks, but for a reason. The reason is so they can handle tons of abuse and clock very high with LN2. ON stock cooling they can only clock so far and they will be very similar to each other. Thats just my opinion with not much to back it up. Cards will only clock so high with ambient cooling and difference between custom coolers is likely very small. The limiting factor at that point will be temps and cooling, not how well the card is built.

I strongly disagree here.

The overclockability is limite by two factors.

1.)The chip capability probability
2.)Voltage tuning and power delivery features


Both cards have 2x8pin, 16 phases , individual voltage tuning etc


Cooling mostly determines the stability and only starts to actually limit the oc at clocks that most of us won´t test on air anyway^^

I personally would like to achive 1GHZ for benching and 950 MHZ stable for gaming.


Since the PCB design of both cards is practically identical and the overclockability of the chip cannot be determined or predicted it comes down to cooling tough in that point you are right^smile.gif

DCII is said to be quieter.
TWFIII is said to be the better performer.

I am not really sure.

What I just don´t like is all the hype and predictions about the Matrix...and what now?

Every review done with it ...did not achieve a 900MHZ+ overclock with the card which is pretty damn sad actually.

But just from a physical hardware point of view in terms of power delivery and PCB design to allow heavy overclocking both cards are exctly the same and have the same level of ability:)

So yeah...
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I wasn't trying to generalize all cards or all 580's. I was comparing the two or three mentioned. Which would be the DCII, Lightning, and Matrix. All three of those cards exhibit the same characteristics. I feel that when it comes to those, they should clock similarly and will be limited by air.

I understand your two points as being valid. The power delivery factor would come to play when comparing a reference model versus one of these. Based on that alone, we can agree that any of the three being mentioned should clock better than the reference model. Then it comes down to the silicon. I've also had 570s and 470s where one clocked a lot better than the other and needed less voltage to reach the same clocks. Lately, it seems it pretty much luck of the draw and buying one of these overbuilt cards should give better clocks than a reference model.
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post #23 of 38
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Now I fully agree:)

Since the misconception of the Matrix 580 having 19 phases has been cleared up I even think the Lightning is ahead.

Physically both cards are identical and should achieve similar performance.

BUT

The fact mentioned by grunion that ASUS is forcing their customers to use their software is annoying indeed ...I think they are doing this so they can be asured all the features and highly sensitive voltage regulating is handled by their own stuff.

I mean I will also only use Afterburner with the Lightning even though I could use EVGA Precision you know what I mean?

Still a little annyong though:)

Also the multiple reviews show that the Matrix is actually inhibiting itself, by trying to copy the individual powering from MSI at +1.5v the card throttles.
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My DCUII never passes 65ºc at full load with fan at 50%. Barely audible.
    
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Yeah the TWFIII is said to perform better than the DCII in terms of cooling but the DCII performs quieter:)
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TRIPLE slot cards may hinder its resellability since not many board/case fit SLI with 3 slots.
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post #27 of 38
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very good point actually?

Yeah resell value is a big factor for me personally since I intend on selling the card for Kepler SLI.

Still I think the Lightning is the better pick.
I have also contacted ASUS about my main priorities ...and they said the Matrix was only suited for LN2 and higher ....on air it´s overclocking potential wasn´t fully reached.

Unlike with the Lightning....it is of course also limited by air ...but far less ...at least judging by the reviews and tests.
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post #28 of 38
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Originally Posted by Kung Pow;13941129 
very good point actually?

Yeah resell value is a big factor for me personally since I intend on selling the card for Kepler SLI.

Still I think the Lightning is the better pick.
I have also contacted ASUS about my main priorities ...and they said the Matrix was only suited for LN2 and higher ....on air it´s overclocking potential wasn´t fully reached.

Unlike with the Lightning....it is of course also limited by air ...but far less ...at least judging by the reviews and tests.

U basiclly answered your own question in this post, lightning will have better resell value, better performance on air or ln2, 2 slot, cool better, and LIGHTNING just sound better than MATRIX, i mean *** is matrix ? lol if they mean like in the movie then its slow , slowing time, slow card?
lol. Lightning mean fast, quick, haste, awesome name!
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Then go for the lightning. Resale, better oc, cooling, etc.
Trust me when buying parts dont beat around the bush or you'll drive yourself crazy like I did.
    
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Originally Posted by Butter on Toast;13941336 
Then go for the lightning. Resale, better oc, cooling, etc.
Trust me when buying parts dont beat around the bush or you'll drive yourself crazy like I did.

haha I am the kind of guy that worries and crushes his brains for days , weeks and months with every possible information , advantage and fact before making a hardware decision:)

I already own the Lightning so yeah^^

The Matrix is a nice card but still incomparable to the Lightning ...it is just an extraordinary card:D

I just hope my card will clock to 1GHZ ^^

I have heard a rumor of cards with certain serial numbers all being able to clock to 1GHZ because of a cherry picked core.

Right now I am in contact with a MSI tech about this matter and he basically confirmed it^^

I will post the serial numbers of the Lightnings that supposedly have a cherry picked core and clock better shortly:)
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