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Originally Posted by bencher;13940542 
I hope the thread starter do not take the person seriously that say phenom II 4Ghz will bottleneck a 570.

A 6870 is faster than a gtx 470. I had both cards, the 6870 is faster and uses less power.

The intel users are exaggerating and making up alot of claims.

Yeah, Ok kookoo.gif

Cus a Phenom II x2 will bottleneck a 570 (its phenom)
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post #102 of 146
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Originally Posted by JuStIn871;13940587 
Yeah, Ok kookoo.gif

Cus a Phenom II x2 will bottleneck a 570 (its phenom)


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Originally Posted by sunnyFTW;13940723 
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He said phenom ii will not bottleneck a gtx570,
and a phenom ii x2 does. i think a low end x4 does too.
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lol i didnt saw phenom ii x2 tongue.gif my bad
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post #105 of 146
Quote:
Originally Posted by JuStIn871;13940587 
Yeah, Ok kookoo.gif

Cus a Phenom II x2 will bottleneck a 570 (its phenom)

Where in my post did you see phenom II x2?
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I have a single 580 (OCd) and a Ph II x6 at 4.0
The only games I see a bottleneck in is the original crysis ( threw my friends 6870 in and it scored within 1fps of my 580) and Just cause 2.
I can tell that it would be a complete waste for me to go SLI 580s until BD comes out, or I may just go Intel.
I think bottlenecking is very dependent on how the benchmark/game is coded.
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post #107 of 146
Quote:
Originally Posted by mxthunder;13942065 
I have a single 580 (OCd) and a Ph II x6 at 4.0
The only games I see a bottleneck in is the original crysis ( threw my friends 6870 in and it scored within 1fps of my 580) and Just cause 2.
I can tell that it would be a complete waste for me to go SLI 580s until BD comes out, or I may just go Intel.
I think bottlenecking is very dependent on how the benchmark/game is coded.

1080p?

Pretty low res for a 580.Anything beyond 19xx and you would really see the difference.
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post #108 of 146
Quote:
Originally Posted by KingT;13936375 
And just for note:

The next time you want to make a statment and to back up something do so with a complete screen shot with CPU-Z,GPU-Z, MSI AB HW monitor tab and TaskMngr Performance tab opened..

CHEERS..

Sure thing dad. I have older stuff, I hope it still counts though.

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My crysis run with x8 aa @ 1080p.... The key thing to note here is that the Phenom IIs average fps was lower than my MIN fps in the last run.

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Here is world of warcraft bottlenecking my single 470, as I said it was a sad day.

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But I'm used to blatant disregard for facts on both sides, I heard the same thing I was hearing from AMD people when I pointed out my i5-2500k wasn't enough for WoW either, at least not with two gpus.

This was meet with the same thing you see here, "Crysis is poorly coded" "It only takes advanced of two core" "The game is the bottleneck", however just like AMD, the fact of the matter is if I had a faster chip than an i5-2500k I would get less of a gpu bottleneck.

You can view that thread here, http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/1012690-wow-how-much-cpu-power-do.html

I try to provide proof of the things I say, and I am bias to neither company. If the i5-2500k fails me somewhere I'm more than happy to point it out. Receiving the same sort of illogical arguments from Intel people as I hear from AMD people.

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This is a i5-2500k @ 5.3Ghz showing a huge bottleneck on 470s @ stock. The only redeeming quality here for SB is that the fps I received here are over twice what a Phenom II system would get.

The bottom line is faster is better, nothing is ever fast enough. Get the fastest you can within your budget and be done with it. I can assure you - you will find something that cripples your cpu, and you will find each year or two it becomes outdated and will be the new "bottleneck" because faster cpus in many apps will outscore your cpu.

Just because the i5-2500k is the fastest gaming cpu currently on the market, doesn't mean it doesn't bottleneck in some situations as well, tri/quad SLI can still be met with huge cpu bottlenecks, resulting in poor scaling. A faster cpu will push the gpus further, the i5-2500k bottlenecks just the same as Phenom II does. The only difference is the i5-2500k is about twice as powerful, so the level of bottleneck is lower, and in many cases there is none.


Why get SLI 570s, which are going to cost around $600 or more, then skimp out with a 1090T, which isn't even a gaming cpu? Where is the logic behind spending $200 for a 1090T vs $180-$226 for an i5-2500k if its a well known fact from AMD to Intel that the i5-2500k is a much better chip for gaming?
Edited by BallaTheFeared - 6/20/11 at 2:07pm
    
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post #109 of 146
Quote:
Originally Posted by sunnyFTW;13939876 
bring it tongue.gif

6870= low temp,lower power req, low fan noise ,low price

makes it 6870>gtx 470 xD

So is my GTX560TI-OC,and it's as fast as a HD6950.
Quote:
Originally Posted by kcuestag;13940106 
Any Phenom II clocked above 3.2Ghz is more than enough for a single GTX470/GTX570. wink.gif

You'd be fine.
^ /thread.
Edited by Heavy MG - 6/20/11 at 2:25pm
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post #110 of 146
As much as I hate to admit it (long time AMD fan myself), Balla is right.

I came from an unlocked Athlon II x4 @ 3.85GHz, 2.75GHz NB (not all that bad of a CPU). It was paired with a GTX470.

Jumped over to my Sandy Bridge setup. With just the one GTX470, every SINGLE game I play, I saw massive increases in my minimum and average framerates. Games that were barely playable before, became super smooth 60+. Games that were playable before, with some frame drops (like BFBC2), jumped well over 120 FPS average. Quite literally EVERY game I play (even source engine) saw improvements.

So yes, an AMD setup, high clocked or not, 99% GPU usage or not, is going to bottleneck any high end GPU setup, single GPU or not.

Low Res vs. High Res:
One thing nobody in this thread has mentioned yet. If there's a bottleneck on a CPU at a low resolution, then its OBVIOUSLY going to be there at a higher resolution too. Just because your GPU gets more action, doesn't mean its not being held back by the CPU. The CPU is only there, to feed the GPU information, and usually for physics effects. If its having a hard time at a low resolution, then it WILL have the same hard time at a higher resolution too, which means there is still a bottleneck there.

I'm sorry, but it is the truth. Current generation AMD CPU's do bottleneck high end cards right now, at any clock speed that's achieveable. The architecture just can't perform fast enough.

If your games play at 60+ FPS though (and don't drop below that), then its not a problem. However if you're playing a game, and you're dropping down to a lower framerate at times, but you've got a high end GPU setup, I promise its that AMD CPU that's doing it to you.
 
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