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Originally Posted by xPrestonn View Post
I'm no WC expert, but is there really a justifiable advantage to watercooling chipsets on a high end board with good chipset cooling?

not trying to troll or whatever, honest question..
I absolutely needed to WC my board. My NB was idling at ~80C in BIOS with the stock heatsink and added fan. My ambient temp inside the case would become burning hot because of the FTW3 heatsink. This burning hot NB temp was causing massive BSODs for my overclock. I had to clock down my CPU quite a lot.

I added an EK chipset block to my board and it brought NB temperature down to the lower 40s (on a warm day). Now I can run my i7 930 at 4.42Ghz with very nice stability
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I absolutely needed to WC my board. My NB was idling at ~80C in BIOS with the stock heatsink and added fan. My ambient temp inside the case would become burning hot because of the FTW3 heatsink. This burning hot NB temp was causing massive BSODs for my overclock. I had to clock down my CPU quite a lot.

I added an EK chipset block to my board and it brought NB temperature down to the lower 40s (on a warm day). Now I can run my i7 930 at 4.42Ghz with very nice stability
Wow.. I can totally understand it then but why was the NB heatsink performing so poorly? Or was there not one?
    
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A board makers has to asks these questions.

1. Is the full board block profitable.
2. Will it sell, does it have a function.
3. Does it look nice?


First off guys, anyone who tells u a full board block is not restrictive has no idea what they are talking about.

They mostly use water bridges which i invented btw, and these are not the best at conserving flow.

So the block maker needs to ask those questions and also on top:

If the user stacks more then 2 video cards, while killing the fans on the video cards, will the south bridge and the lower portion of the board get enough air?

Right now Sandy Bridge does not have an issue with heat.
X58 most definitely did... as it had Vrgs + NB + SB + DDR3 Controller + DDR3 Mosfets.


Were not at that level yet, which is why u wont see any major block maker coming out with a high quality full board block.

Wait until the X79 comes outs out with the stupid ram slots sandwitching the cpu, and we should soon see full board blocks again.

At the very least, i'll be designing some up, and if vendors wont make them, then.. i'll go to my custom builders..


Also AMD board blocks.... Vendors arent that inclined to make them.
Because AMD system builders arent after the cream of the crop stuff.
Sorry, but less then 10% of the AMD Builders do not build AMD unless its budget orientated, and budget orientated builds do not deserve full board blocks period.

bulldozer might change this.. but i dont think so.
Bulldozer is in for another round at getting beatten by Sandy Bridge - E.
Edited by NaeKuh - 6/20/11 at 10:52am
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post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by NaeKuh View Post
A board makers has to asks these questions.

1. Is the full board block profitable.
2. Will it sell, does it have a function.
3. Does it look nice?


First off guys, anyone who tells u a full board block is not restrictive has no idea what they are talking about.

They mostly use water bridges which i invented btw, and these are not the best at conserving flow.

So the block maker needs to ask those questions and also on top:

If the user stacks more then 2 video cards, while killing the fans on the video cards, will the south bridge and the lower portion of the board get enough air?

Right now Sandy Bridge does not have an issue with heat.
X58 most definitely did... as it had Vrgs + NB + SB + DDR3 Controller + DDR3 Mosfets.


Were not at that level yet, which is why u wont see any major block maker coming out with a high quality full board block.

Wait until the X79 comes outs out with the stupid ram slots sandwitching the cpu, and we should soon see full board blocks again.

At the very least, i'll be designing some up, and if vendors wont make them, then.. i'll go to my custom builders..


Also AMD board blocks.... Vendors arent that inclined to make them.
Because AMD system builders arent after the cream of the crop stuff.
Sorry, but less then 10% of the AMD Builders do not build AMD unless its budget orientated, and budget orientated builds do not deserve full board blocks period.

bulldozer might change this.. but i dont think so.
Bulldozer is in for another round at getting beatten by Sandy Bridge - E.

SB-e is LGA 2011 right? Isn't that supposed to be the super high end enthusiast stuff? Ivy is set to replace SB which is mainstream.

BD is mainstream as well, right?

isn't BD->SB-e sort of an unfair comparison? No one compares the 990x to the Ph II x6..
    
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isn't BD->SB-e sort of an unfair comparison? No one compares the 990x to the Ph II x6..
are u kidding me?

Its like saying a volkswaggon jetta > Porsche 911 turbo.

And keeping the price ratio at the same time as well.

Yea its a totally unfair comparision, but not to the block maker, because a board is a board.

whose more likely to buy options? a guy with a porsche? or a guy with a volkswagon?
Edited by NaeKuh - 6/20/11 at 11:09am
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post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by Timechange01 View Post
I absolutely needed to WC my board. My NB was idling at ~80C in BIOS with the stock heatsink and added fan. My ambient temp inside the case would become burning hot because of the FTW3 heatsink. This burning hot NB temp was causing massive BSODs for my overclock. I had to clock down my CPU quite a lot.

I added an EK chipset block to my board and it brought NB temperature down to the lower 40s (on a warm day). Now I can run my i7 930 at 4.42Ghz with very nice stability
I used to have pretty much the same board and I top out at 50° on my NB during stress tests. I don't think your heat sink was seated too well.

However, my rule of thumb is that if it goes over 60° on air then it needs water cooling. So far I've water cooled one chipset...I think is was a P965, but it's been a while
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Originally Posted by NaeKuh View Post
A board makers has to asks these questions.

1. Is the full board block profitable.
2. Will it sell, does it have a function.
3. Does it look nice?


First off guys, anyone who tells u a full board block is not restrictive has no idea what they are talking about.

They mostly use water bridges which i invented btw, and these are not the best at conserving flow.

So the block maker needs to ask those questions and also on top:

If the user stacks more then 2 video cards, while killing the fans on the video cards, will the south bridge and the lower portion of the board get enough air?

Right now Sandy Bridge does not have an issue with heat.
X58 most definitely did... as it had Vrgs + NB + SB + DDR3 Controller + DDR3 Mosfets.


Were not at that level yet, which is why u wont see any major block maker coming out with a high quality full board block.

Wait until the X79 comes outs out with the stupid ram slots sandwitching the cpu, and we should soon see full board blocks again.

At the very least, i'll be designing some up, and if vendors wont make them, then.. i'll go to my custom builders..


Also AMD board blocks.... Vendors arent that inclined to make them.
Because AMD system builders arent after the cream of the crop stuff.
Sorry, but less then 10% of the AMD Builders do not build AMD unless its budget orientated, and budget orientated builds do not deserve full board blocks period.

bulldozer might change this.. but i dont think so.
Bulldozer is in for another round at getting beatten by Sandy Bridge - E.
but they have always made a full board block for the crosshairs and seeing that the UD7 looks pretty great considering the others i would think maybe they would do that maybe not who knows and btw BD-E will be battling ivy/SB-E or whatever its going to be called and BD is just battling SB for now
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