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Being a college student, having to work for the money for the rig, etc?

I honestly would go with 2 x GTX560 2GB as your gfx solution.

The difference in terms of your 'max playable settings' with the setup and 2 x 580 3GB will actually be pretty minimal. Both cards at max OC's you're looking at probably a +25-30% perf difference ... for +100% cost difference. +25% is about the difference between being able to run 2xAA vs. 8xAA on a given game. The difference in maximum image quality, at the end of the day, between these two options is honestly going to be virtually unnoticeable.

After you do this, here's some other areas to save money:

  • Although RAM is fairly cheap ATM, you only need 8gb of ram at most. There will literally be NO advantage to 16GB of RAM in terms of your gaming experience vs. 8GB.
  • You don't need a fancy, expensive case. Get a decent $100 case with good cable management and airflow and you'll be golden, because 560's don't put out that much heat.
  • Speaking of heat, Watercooling, while nifty (mostly because it's pretty quiet) is a horrible bang-for-buck proposition. The chances that h2o cooling would ever allow a significant-enough increase in OC vs. air cooling that it would actually increase your 'max playable settings' is somewhere between 'slim' and 'none'. An H7O on the CPU and air-cooling for the 560's is plenty good for what you're wanting to do.
  • You don't need a fancy motherboard for what you're wanting to do either. People over-buying the expensive mobo's are another common source of wasted money. The practical differences in performance between a decent $180 enthusiast board, and the $400 top-o-the-line-zomg-record-breaking board (derived almost entirely from at-best a small advantage in CPU OC'ing ability) is miniscule, esp. when gaming at high-resolution in 3d, wherein you're going to be GPU-limited 99% of the time.
  • You can totally get away with a decent 750W PSU with this setup. Even that is overkill for 560's in SLI, but just to give yourself a bit better efficiency I'd grab a 750W unit.
  • Obviously, building yourself is going to save you a ton of dough, and it's not very hard to do at all. Plus it's fun, and way more satisfying at the end of the day, playing on a machine you built yourself
Now, with the SIGNIFICANT savings involved with taking my advice above, I would consider the following options:

  • A high-end soundcard. Good sound is sooooo important when gaming, and adds to the immersion considerably.
  • A nice set of headphones, to properly enjoy your great sound, AND/OR a nice surround setup (if you don't already have these)
  • A nice gaming mouse/keyboard
  • A 60-120gb SSD for your OS and your commonly-run applications (Office, Firefox, Afterburner, etc)
  • A RAID-0 array of a couple of good 2TB drives for dedicated storage of your application installs (games, mostly). SSD storage is too expensive for game installs, and actually a couple of discs in RAID will perform ALMOST as good when it comes to load times on games.
  • I also recommend a single, large, dedicated HD for the storage of the stuff that you consider 'permanent' ... music, vids, photos, software that you download, etc ... and a means to back this drive up.
  • Better quality fans, both for the case, and for the h7o cooler. 'Stock' fans are often pretty lame/cheap fans.
  • A sweet Desk and chair (if you don't already have) for your gaming comfort
  • A gamepad for the PC. There's LOTS of PC games that play much better on a 360 controller than they do on the mouse/kb
  • A good surge protector to protect your investment
  • Lots of sweet new games to enjoy on your killer new rig

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As carried away as we got while suggesting components for the OP... Brett is spot on. He not only made great suggestions, but backed them up well also. Good stuff.
 
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Just get Quad-SLi GTX590s.
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I still haven't figured out why nobody likes my GTX 590s

Makes meh sad :*(

Sniff, Sniff: I can too compete with 580 Tri-Sli
http://www.overclock.net/benchmarkin...hmark-2-a.html

Although for 3D and 5760x1080, then yes the 3GB would greatly help on the 580s. Many titles (actually most) play just fine with 1.5gb and 5760x1080.
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GTX 590 = Downclocked GTX 580 1.5GB's in SLI
GTX 580 1.5GB SLI will definitely overclock a lot higher, and be faster than a 590.
GTX 580 3GB SLI would be even better for a huge Surround resolution. This would definitely be the best bet for 1080p or higher surround.

Honestly, any option would "work". But if you want the highest end possible, you'll want the 3GB 580's in SLI for Surround resolutions. If you can sacrifice a little AA in Surround mode, then the regular 580's would do fine in SLI. I'd ignore the 590 completely personally. This would also leave you open still for tri SLI or quad SLI...assuming your board supports 3-4 lane SLI setups.
At 5670x1080, i hit 1.6gb with 4xaa on triple 3gb 580s.

at 7680x1440, I can get 2.3gb usage on bad company 2.

That's just 1 game.

I'd suggest going 3gb GTX580 SLI, it's worth it for surround.
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Thanks again for everyone's responses (Brett yours was fantastic). I'm definitely going to have some time to think this over before Skyrim comes out, and I'll be sure to consider each proposition that was suggested.
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I'm actually planning on being lame and going through ibuypower.com to have the rig built. I don't quite have the level of expertise to build my own rig at this point, and to be honest it'd freak me out to start a build from scratch.
You can do it! It's fun and very rewarding when you press that power button for the first time and see the beast fire up. I don't blame you though.. That's an EXPENSIVE rig and you haven't built one before.
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You can do it! It's fun and very rewarding when you press that power button for the first time and see the beast fire up. I don't blame you though.. That's an EXPENSIVE rig and you haven't built one before.
Indeed. When you consider that there's thousands of us on this site, and 99% of us know how to build a PC ... the resources available for assistance in such a project are prodigious

It's *really* not rocket science to build a PC. It mostly requires just a modicum of common sense and understanding of a few basic concepts ... everything needs power, and pretty much everything is going to connect to the motherboard in one way or another. Everything just kinda fits together like an (expensive) set of Lego's.

Besides applying some basic common-sense, you just have to avoid various first-timer mistakes, like forgetting to install the rear I/O panel, or installing the mobo standoff's in the wrong positions for your board, or mistaking an 8-pin board power plug for a PCI-Ex connector. And some CPU coolers can be a tiny bit tricky to install correctly, overall on average that might be the hardest part of building a PC.

There's nothing involved that anyone remotely 'handy' cannot figure out. If you can look at the basic parts of a PC and know what they're called ... mobo, HD, gfx card, memory sticks, power supply ... you've already got about 80% of the process in the bag.
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Good stuff.


Also, I would add that putting it together yourself would help you to understand the system better in the case of a problem. If you bought the system from a vendor, you'd be at their mercy and with a full system plus the downtime... it's not a happy place to be stuck at. +1 for DIY.
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I still haven't figured out why nobody likes my GTX 590s
I like em.

I'm debating going with 3GB GTX580 SLI, or GTX590 quad. I'm trying to figure out which will be best for my resolution: 2560x1600.
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