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Alright, I'm wanting to jump into some half decent water cooling. Got some questions...

1) What ALL do I need to buy to go custom? Think budget minded, but not something that'll break. I'm wanting to go CPU and GPU on this one. Temperature wise, I'm wanting as good or slightly better than GREAT air cooling. I'm after low noise more than anything.

2) I only want to hear from EXPERIENCED members on water. Sorry, but my hardware is much too valuable to me, to blow another $300 on water parts, biosides, killcoils, whatever, only to have it corrode (like somebody else had happen) due to bad advice, or have other issues happen. So if you post advice, please kindly let me know how long you've water cooled for. smile.gif

3) What exactly will fit properly in my case radiator wise?

4) Is a 240 rad enough for CPU-GPU loop? Or will I have to go 240+120? Or will I have to go 280 + 120 since my top fan spots are 140 / 120?

5) What about mounting positioning?

6) Fans...I want quiet fans. Blue LED would be a plus if they're internal. Regular black is fine too. I need a lot of fans (quiet). So please, find me ones that won't break me. If the fans alone cost over $100, I will probably have to wait.

A few other things, I'm going for a black / blue theme. So blue tubing would be preferred. And any other colored parts should be black or blue as well if at all possible.
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I can't help you with everything as I'm new, but I'm pretty knowledgeable with fans. These fans have blue LEDs, and are pretty silent at 14 dBA, but they're $13, so I'm not sure if they're over your budget or not:

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=36_69&products_id=30510
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While I'm not a water cooler (yet) I think I can answer a couple of your questions. Hopefully someone will confirm.

3) When you get down to it, you can fit damn near anything in your case. It all depends how much effort you want to put, and how much you're willing to mod. Or if you're willing to mount the rad externally somewhere. Just seems to take some creativity.

4) I think most recommend a 360+ rad for CPU+GPU. If your case is what I think it is, and I remember correctly from working on my friend's computer, I don't think a 280 will fit correctly in the existing holes on the top area. I think I remember there being a small gap of around 3-4mm between the 140mm fans we put up there, which gives me the impression that you'd need to somehow tap new holes, or just mount one fan to that top area to keep everything up.

Again, I'm technically not a water cooler yet, so wait for some confirmation biggrin.gif

Also, just to note, with fans, my upcoming build is going to total $500. However, I have a lot of stuff on my list that really aren't necessary. Extra tubing to be specifically used for my flush, somewhat expensive fittings, a shroud I really don't need at all, etc., not to mention the fans I've mentioned are AP-15s.
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a 240 may be pushing it. You can always go a 240 and then add a 120 if the temps are too high.

For a CPU block the best in order are

Koolance 370
Apogee XT Rev. 2
Heatkiller 3.0
EK Supreme
XSPC Raza

I think I have them in order. The Koolance 370 is definitely #1 and ApogeeXT is #2 within 1 degree or less. The Apogee XT is pretty inexpensive and I own both the Apogee XT and Heatkiller 3.0. The Apogee XT gets 1-2 degrees better if this is any help.

For a pump, I would recommend a Liang MCP355 or MCP655. The 655 I think gives more liters/Gal per hour but the MCP355 has more head pressure. If you do 2 rads perhaps the MCP355 would be a little better.


For a res, the Swiftech Micro res is cheap and nice looking. Under $30 US.

http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=1296&page=6

koolance_cpu370_temps-1.jpg

koolance_cpu370_flow.jpg
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Heat;13934920 
I can't help you with everything as I'm new, but I'm pretty knowledgeable with fans. These fans have blue LEDs, and are pretty silent at 14 dBA, but they're $13, so I'm not sure if they're over your budget or not:

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=36_69&products_id=30510

I thought I read somewhere that static pressure needed to be 2-3 whatever the units are for water? confused.gif Maybe I was wrong??

If those turn out to be good for water loops, those LOOK nice. Depending on how many fans I end up needing to buy (based on suggestions), that won't be too bad. I can get by with a minimum of 5 fans I think, and would need up to 8 if I go push / pull on the radiators. 8x $14 = $112, which turns out to be too expensive. Or if there's a better alternative for case fans that are cheap (I think I saw 2 packs of CoolerMaster blue LED fans for like $12 on newegg), I could get those, and better radiator fans.

I dunno, this is exactly why I'm posting here. I have no clue what I need. frown.gif
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Water cooling guide in wink.gif
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pioneerisloud;13934972 
I thought I read somewhere that static pressure needed to be 2-3 whatever the units are for water? confused.gif Maybe I was wrong??

If those turn out to be good for water loops, those LOOK nice. Depending on how many fans I end up needing to buy (based on suggestions), that won't be too bad. I can get by with a minimum of 5 fans I think, and would need up to 8 if I go push / pull on the radiators. 8x $14 = $112, which turns out to be too expensive. Or if there's a better alternative for case fans that are cheap (I think I saw 2 packs of CoolerMaster blue LED fans for like $12 on newegg), I could get those, and better radiator fans.

I dunno, this is exactly why I'm posting here. I have no clue what I need. frown.gif

You can always go push/pull later. 1 set of fans will getcha started.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Juggalo23451;13934977 
Water cooling guide in wink.gif

Okay fine.... tongue.gif

To be fair, I've read most of the guide already. I also know the BASICS of what's needed, but I don't know what actual parts I need, or how much I'm going to need, or what fans, or what chemicals (if any) I need, what chemicals I can't use with the barbs / blocks I'm using, etc.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pioneerisloud;13934827 
1) What ALL do I need to buy to go custom? Think budget minded, but not something that'll break. I'm wanting to go CPU and GPU on this one. Temperature wise, I'm wanting as good or slightly better than GREAT air cooling. I'm after low noise more than anything.

Are you looking for an exact list of parts or just a general idea?
Quote:
Originally Posted by pioneerisloud;13934827 
4) Is a 240 rad enough for CPU-GPU loop? Or will I have to go 240+120? Or will I have to go 280 + 120 since my top fan spots are 140 / 120?

To conform into your wants, no a 240 won't be enough. You'd be better off going with a 240+120.
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6) Fans...I want quiet fans. Blue LED would be a plus if they're internal. Regular black is fine too. I need a lot of fans (quiet). So please, find me ones that won't break me. If the fans alone cost over $100, I will probably have to wait.

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=27142

yates are the best when you're on a budget.
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I tell you what parts you need. Loop for cpu only is around 300 more if gpu is added
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