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Originally Posted by pioneerisloud;13934988 
To be fair, I've read most of the guide already. I also know the BASICS of what's needed, but I don't know what actual parts I need, or how much I'm going to need, or what fans, or what chemicals (if any) I need, what chemicals I can't use with the barbs / blocks I'm using, etc.

Alright, here's what I'm planning as my build. When I asked for criticism and such, most said everything looked fine, though one common issue was that my pump might be too strong or something (not enough resistance for it, don't know what that means, but I'm still thinking about stuff).
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Koolance CPU-370
http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=2030

Koolance 360mm Rad Shroud
http://www.koolance.com/water-cooling/product_info.php?product_id=691

XSPC RX360
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/xsrx3xrare2.html

XSPC Single Res
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/xssi5bayreab.html

XSPC 1/2" OD 3/4" OD Compression Fittings (x8)
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/xsg1to1idx3o.html

Feser UV Blue 1/2" ID 3/4" OD Tubing (6ft)
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/fetuftacuvho2.html

Tygon 1/2" ID 3/4" OD Tubing (3ft)
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ty1id3odlatu.html

Swiftech MCP355 Pump
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swiftechmcp355.html

EK Pump Top for MCP355
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ekwaekx.html

Haven't decided what I'm going to do for biocide, but it'll likely be a silver kill coil. Hopefully that can get you started so you can adjust as necessary... obviously this is much more expensive than you need and doesn't include fans, since I already have the AP-15s I was going to use. This also doesn't include a GPU block, since I won't be putting my cards under water.
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Alright, I'm wanting to jump into some half decent water cooling. Got some questions...

1) What ALL do I need to buy to go custom? Think budget minded, but not something that'll break. I'm wanting to go CPU and GPU on this one. Temperature wise, I'm wanting as good or slightly better than GREAT air cooling. I'm after low noise more than anything.

2) I only want to hear from EXPERIENCED members on water. Sorry, but my hardware is much too valuable to me, to blow another $300 on water parts, biosides, killcoils, whatever, only to have it corrode (like somebody else had happen) due to bad advice, or have other issues happen. So if you post advice, please kindly let me know how long you've water cooled for.

3) What exactly will fit properly in my case radiator wise?

4) Is a 240 rad enough for CPU-GPU loop? Or will I have to go 240+120? Or will I have to go 280 + 120 since my top fan spots are 140 / 120?

5) What about mounting positioning?

6) Fans...I want quiet fans. Blue LED would be a plus if they're internal. Regular black is fine too. I need a lot of fans (quiet). So please, find me ones that won't break me. If the fans alone cost over $100, I will probably have to wait.

A few other things, I'm going for a black / blue theme. So blue tubing would be preferred. And any other colored parts should be black or blue as well if at all possible.
Relatively new to water cooling, I've had mine setup for a little while now.

4.) You should probably get a 360 (or 240 + 120). You'd have uncomfortably high temps with just a 240.

If you want quiet you'd want a radiator with lower fin density so you can use slower (thus quieter) fans. (RX120/240/360) for example.

For tubing I'd go with PrimoChill, great stuff.

(watch out with the thumbscrews while installing *cough* juggalo)
Edited by Taylorsci - 6/20/11 at 12:02am
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I'll try to keep it short, sweet and to the point for you.

1. Loop Parts:
-Get a koolance cpu (370) and gpu block
-xspc 360 rad should suffice
-mcp 655 pump (with or without controller, the one without is about equivalent to 4 on the controller one)
-xspc dual bay res (you can stick the pump into this and it turns out into a very sweet little package)
-retail pack of feser UV blue tubing or black tubing with blue antikink coils (1/2" ID 3/4" OD is the tubing i use and prefer)
-bitspower fittings (again, 1/2" ID 3/4" OD and compressions preferably but not necessary)
-PTNuke (always used this for the past 1 year+ and have had no problems whatsoever, I have never tried out coils though so I can't speak for those)
-distilled water
-avoid dyes like the plague and use colored tubing instead
-yate loon medium or high speed fans from petras tech shop (low budget very good fans)
-a lamptron fan controller with a good 6 fan controls on it.

Honestly though (unless you're emotionally attached to your case) I'd upgrade your case to something that is a bit more watercooling friendly, with the ability to house a 360 at least internally.

I also recommend checking out the for sale cooling section here to save some serious cheddar.
Edited by H4rd5tyl3 - 6/20/11 at 12:11am
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Great stuff so far guys....

Will a 240 fit properly in the top of my case though?

What about chemicals (and I heard you can't mix metals on the parts...so that's an issue too)?

Definitely reading every post posted here with excitement, and learning new stuff.

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-a lamptron fan controller with a good 6 fan controls on it.

Honestly though (unless you're emotionally attached to your case) I'd upgrade your case that is a bit more watercooling friendly, with the ability to house a 360 at least internally.
Read your whole post too.

1) I already have a fan controller (custom made by myself). It works great at keeping my Delta's quieter. They still are noisy, but that's the bearings.

2) I already plan on going for a Lian Li A05 case (small ATX case) in the near future, and modding it to heck and back. That's why I need to keep radiator use small. A 240 + 120 will fit in my stock NZXT Beta EVO, and it should also fit in the Lian Li.
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Great stuff so far guys....

Will a 240 fit properly in the top of my case though?

What about chemicals (and I heard you can't mix metals on the parts...so that's an issue too)?

Definitely reading every post posted here with excitement, and learning new stuff.
From the pics I've seen it looks like it'll fit (I don't own it, can't be certain)

With the mixing of metals all you "really" need to avoid is mixing aluminum with other metals.

Chemicals, just PT Nuke (or a kill coil).
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Great stuff so far guys....

Will a 240 fit properly in the top of my case though?

What about chemicals (and I heard you can't mix metals on the parts...so that's an issue too)?

Definitely reading every post posted here with excitement, and learning new stuff.
You could probably fit a 240 somehow, but not in the holes that were meant to take the fans, if you want to attach all 8 screws. There's a good chance you could use the existing holes in the built-in "grill", though you may need washers and/or to cut a couple small pieces out (easily done with wire cutters, iirc). I don't know if you have both 140mm slots filled right now, but if you do and the fans are side-by-side and touching (or close to it), you should be able to fit a 280mm rad without issue.

I just got schooled on mixing metals... apparently aluminum doesn't react well with copper and such. People say to avoid a lot of additives as they can cause gunk build-up. For purty colors, they say go with colored tubing rather than dyes. That's why I'm going with blue tubing with a silver kill coil to keep pesky algae away.
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Great stuff so far guys....

Will a 240 fit properly in the top of my case though?

What about chemicals (and I heard you can't mix metals on the parts...so that's an issue too)?

Definitely reading every post posted here with excitement, and learning new stuff.



Read your whole post too.

1) I already have a fan controller (custom made by myself). It works great at keeping my Delta's quieter. They still are noisy, but that's the bearings.

2) I already plan on going for a Lian Li A05 case (small ATX case) in the near future, and modding it to heck and back. That's why I need to keep radiator use small. A 240 + 120 will fit in my stock NZXT Beta EVO, and it should also fit in the Lian Li.
Just avoid aluminum and you're fine. Also, there's a few A05NB wc builds on here (don't remember exactly what rads fit in there with x amount of modding) so it can be done. My bro just bought a A05NB last week and the thing is a damn hot box when you're on air though. Luckily I got a few month old TJ07 for him for $150 shipped and the A05NB will be going up for sale soon, so let me know if you're interested in that .
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I thought I read somewhere that static pressure needed to be 2-3 whatever the units are for water? Maybe I was wrong??
Don't know about that but higher static pressure is better for radiators. I guess you didn't see the gentle typhoon 2150 group buy that was posted a while ago, probably the BEST fans for use in a water cooling system, at least performance to noise wise.
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I feel so ashamed, been here since 2007, and I have yet to actually pay attention to this section...up until about a month ago when I started reading up on it.

Keep the great advice coming guys. I am definitely paying attention. I'm hoping to buy my parts this week, gotta start searching for what parts still (I can try to look myself too tomorrow. )

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Don't know about that but higher static pressure is better for radiators. I guess you didn't see the gentle typhoon 2150 group buy that was posted a while ago, probably the BEST fans for use in a water cooling system, at least performance to noise wise.
Yeah, I missed the group buy. I'll take a look at how expensive those fans are too. If I go push / pull, I'd need 6 fans then. Or 3 for just push (or pull, whatever is recommended). And I could just buy a couple of cheapo fans for case airflow.
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Also (made this mistake my first time around) NEVER run your pump dry, it will die in a matter of like 10 seconds if you do. Make sure you get as much water in the loop through bleeding, tilting, moving it around and what not before you power the pump on, and be ready to add more water while it's running as the water level will drop quite a bit.
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