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If you didn't know they were so greedy,you're in for a big shock..
Every corporation is greedy; it's the basis of capitalism; amass the largest possible amount of wealth for yourself.

If you thought all other corporations were not greedy, then you're in for a HUGE shock.
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post #22 of 32
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Decrease as in, get slightly worse.

Why the decrease? Because the i7 2600k has a better architecture (hence more performance clock for clock), the i7 2600k can overclock more on 24/7 voltages - disregarding suicide runs (this is not shown in the following graphs), and most games only use 4 cores (so 2 cores of the i7 990X go unused).
The 2### are faster architecture than the 990x. Simple. It's got nothing to do with how many cores a game uses or if some cores are redundant. If that's the case then Sandy Bridge EX with 6 cores will be slower than a 2600k in games.
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post #23 of 32
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Every corporation is greedy; it's the basis of capitalism; amass the largest possible amount of wealth for yourself.

If you thought all other corporations were not greedy, then you're in for a HUGE shock.
Yes all business is about greed, but the question is whether it's amoral greed.
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I totally agree with quitting something that doesn't matter/ignores you, favors one brand etc. So good on these companies for sticking to their guns.

The rest of you are delusional if you think there is nothing different between a 1100T and an i72600K, computation wise. I am sorry, picking AMD will not have a negative impact to an end user for 90% of tasks. Intel make up the other 10% with full force. Number crunching and gaming.

Don't forget, the CPU is only half the battle, you need the architectures support systems to keep up with the engines. The fact that AMD have kept up (considering the budgets and expenditure) and price-wise of their CPUs of course, is nothing short of a miracle.... or that Intel makes R&D ridiculous expensive looking.
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The 2### are faster architecture than the 990x. Simple. It's got nothing to do with how many cores a game uses or if some cores are redundant. If that's the case then Sandy Bridge EX with 6 cores will be slower than a 2600k in games.
Well not necessarily, if a game (or any other application for that matter) uses all 6 cores of an i7 990x, the 990x will obtain better results. That is why a 990x is better at encoding; even though it has less powerful performance per core, the total performance is higher than the i7 2600k in applications that utilize all cores.
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So some people still think (or until recently thought) that Intel is not greedy
Partially because of the lawsuit AMD won,however in reality didn't do much of anything,one of the big issues,as dodger.blue pointed out, it was supposed to stop the Intel compiler code that is still being used in many benchmarks and some software,who knows possibly even games. Or maybe because Intel is the huge sucessful ( more like monopoly) company while AMD is the little underdog many assume is just being butthurt by trying to sue Intel.
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Every corporation is greedy; it's the basis of capitalism; amass the largest possible amount of wealth for yourself.

If you thought all other corporations were not greedy, then you're in for a HUGE shock.
Trying to justify Intel's HUGE greed just because you are loyal to them?
Being so greedy in the tech market,especially how Intel does it, is bad for all of us.
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Yes all business is about greed, but the question is whether it's amoral greed.
Exactly!
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The rest of you are delusional if you think there is nothing different between a 1100T and an i72600K, computation wise. I am sorry, picking AMD will not have a negative impact to an end user for 90% of tasks. Intel make up the other 10% with full force. Number crunching and gaming.

Don't forget, the CPU is only half the battle, you need the architectures support systems to keep up with the engines. The fact that AMD have kept up (considering the budgets and expenditure) and price-wise of their CPUs of course, is nothing short of a miracle.... or that Intel makes R&D ridiculous expensive looking.
Quite true.
The skewed benchmarks are to blame for the 2600K appearing to be faster in computation,the Intel fanboys just spew their nonsense that a 1100T is a slow useless turd based on these crap benchmarks optimized for Intel processors. AMD has done quite well with their Athlon 64 based architecture. I think that Intel makes it look crazy expensive and complicated to make it appear as if they have superior engineering. Intel didn't have to do a whole lot of R&D with the past few generations,Sandy Bridge is just a revised 1st. gen Core processor. The Core architecture is based off of Pentium III & Pentium M.
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Trying to justify Intel's HUGE greed just because you are loyal to them?
Being so greedy in the tech market,especially how Intel does it, is bad for all of us.
I believe that in a perfect world, no one would be "loyal" to any company, they would just get the best product for themselves.

I like Intel because they deliver. Especially in the past years, they have done a wonderful job on all their processors, and have consistently beaten AMD in performance. But I didn't buy their processor because I like Intel, I like Intel because I like the processor I bought from them.

See it may be hard to understand for such an adamant supporter of AMD; but I like Intel because I bought their processor and was extremely satisfied with it. Unlike many AMD fans who did the opposite; bought an AMD processor because they favored the company.

Besides, Intel's greed is the same as any other company, and I'm sure that AMD or any other company would have done the same in the same situation.
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I believe that in a perfect world, no one would be "loyal" to any company, they would just get the best product for themselves.

I like Intel because they deliver. Especially in the past years, they have done a wonderful job on all their processors, and have consistently beaten AMD in performance. But I didn't buy their processor because I like Intel, I like Intel because I like the processor I bought from them.

See it may be hard to understand for such an adamant supporter of AMD; but I like Intel because I bought their processor and was extremely satisfied with it. Unlike many AMD fans who did the opposite; bought an AMD processor because they favored the company.

Besides, Intel's greed is the same as any other company, and I'm sure that AMD or any other company would have done the same in the same situation.
So now you're calling me a AMD fanboy because I didn't buy a "superior performing" Intel?
TL;DR,intel loyalist more?
At the time,an AMD was much cheaper overall, I got the best price for the best possible performance within the price range,I don't like Intel for their morals and tactics either,however if a i7 wouldn't have been so expensive & overpriced I would have considered one.
Intel CPU's have been faster since about 2006 because for one thing they forced the OEM's to use their product during the P4 & Pentium D era,instead of the faster Athlon 64. I'm sure it "earned" Intel quite a sum of money. Intel's dirty tactics putting AMD in a choke hold doesn't help AMD with their R&D funds to try to compete,either.
Anyway,this might be one of the more believable SA articles I have seen,it's very reasonable for Nvidia,AMD & VIA to get away from such nonsense.
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As for Intel's forcing their CPUs on OEMs, I'm sure that they have payed every cent they owed with all the antitrust fees they were forced to pay. And rightfully so.

Besides, if you look at the marketshare of Intel CPUs, you'll see that it had a major increase after 2006, when Intel started to use its better architecture. So as you see, those deplorable past deals were not all that profitable for Intel, and it was really the better CPU architecture that Intel has developed that caused the situation we see today.
Lol,wouldn't we all like to believe that?
Intel probably didn't even bat an eye when they had to pay those anti-trust fees.
Intel is still running around with their benchmark faking & skewing, dirty deals and underhanded tactics,the architecture alone didn't bring them to what they are today.
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So now you're calling me a AMD fanboy because I didn't buy a "superior performing" Intel?
TL;DR,intel loyalist more?
At the time,an AMD was much cheaper overall, I got the best price for the best possible performance within the price range,I don't like Intel for their morals and tactics either,however if a i7 wouldn't have been so expensive & overpriced I would have considered one.
Intel CPU's have been faster since about 2006 because for one thing they forced the OEM's to use their product during the P4 & Pentium D era,instead of the faster Athlon 64. I'm sure it "earned" Intel quite a sum of money.
Actually, that wasn't my intention at all to say that your processor did not fit your needs. Only you can be the judge of that.

My comment refers to a person that buys a 1100T instead of an i5 2500k, because they dislike Intel, and I'm sure I can find a few examples of that on our forum. Or a person that bought an 1100T solely for gaming while a similarly priced i7 920 or i5 750 proved better for that usage. Other than that, before the release of SB, 1100T offered the best price/performance for multithreaded tasks. Also AMD usually offers better performance at the lower sections of the market.

As for Intel's forcing their CPUs on OEMs, I'm sure that they have payed every cent they owed with all the antitrust fees they were forced to pay. And rightfully so.

Besides, if you look at the marketshare of Intel CPUs, you'll see that it had a major increase after 2006, when Intel started to use its better architecture. So as you see, those deplorable past deals were not all that profitable for Intel, and it was really the better CPU architecture that Intel has developed that caused the situation we see today.
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I started to notice my Opty 1214 at 2.9GHz was aging the day I opened BFBC2 with the HD5870 and it was barely able to pull 20 FPS everything maxed out at 1080p.

Dropped in the Phenom and boom! Up to 75 FPS.
i said light gaming.
we all know BC2 is a HEAVILY CPU depended game, and thats why i dont have BC2 installed on that rig
when i unlocked the 3rd core on my callisto i got a good 10+fps improvement. SO MUCH WIN

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So some people still think (or until recently thought) that Intel is not greedy
most people dont know intel is greedy, but most know that they are dicks.
    
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