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Where's Motoko!!!! She could take on the hackers.
lol
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Don't lock this thread to > Mods - Admins.... Lulzsec is the top news around here.
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post #33 of 62
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So I ask again...At what point do your personal freedoms outweigh that of an entire nation's?
They are going to censor what, everything?

And that will make us safe (or will it in fact make us more vulnerable?)

Ridiculous. Not required, not beneficial, not going to happen without a fight. I am not championing these people, but I can tell you that my personal freedoms are worth far more than the demise of this group at the cost of censorship. If lulzsec is evil, censorship is twice as evil.

Freedom of information is almost more important than my own life.

Give me a solid example of how censorship would have prevented or will prevent these attacks and benefit instead of hurt the average person.
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Anything happens that leaves me in the.....

I will quit the internetz
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post #35 of 62
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They would have taken our freedoms anyways. I support lulzsec for sure. Someone needs to hit back for things they have already taken from us and hit them when they take more.....
You don't get it. The more corporate toes these hacker groups step on the more bills are going to pass to increase congress's idea of internet security which will include much more restrictions on how we use our beloved internet. It's going to happen, it's inevitable but I think these groups are the catalyst to really speed things up.

It's a lose lose situation really. These groups are making it painfully obvious our current system is filled with backdoors and other insecurities so what is the obvious response from corporate and government? Impose more restrictions, make people pay per MB, go through multiple ID checkpoints, etc... so each and every packet can be traceable. You know... take away the stuff we take for granted every day.

I stand on neither side of the fence here.
post #36 of 62
Not Banks please. That will just outrage EVERYBODY!
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Do you feel as though they are accelerating the inevitable or creating a reactionary response?

Censorship is servitude.
Is there really a difference? Is it happening because it was bound to happen, or was it bound to happen, because it's happening?

The best we can hope for is that the enlightened people making our laws (and those that allow people to make laws) don't make that knee jerk reaction and start chipping all of our brains...

Who is anybody kidding, this world is circling the bowl, brother. Where's that tin foil hat?
    
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So I ask again...At what point do your personal freedoms outweigh that of an entire nation's?
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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post #39 of 62
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They are going to censor what, everything?

And that will make us safe (or will it in fact make us more vulnerable?)

Ridiculous. Not required, not beneficial, not going to happen without a fight. I am not championing these people, but I can tell you that my personal freedoms are worth far more than the demise of this group at the cost of censorship. If lulzsec is evil, censorship is twice as evil.

Freedom of information is almost more important than my own life.

Give me a solid example of how censorship would have prevented or will prevent these attacks and benefit instead of hurt the average person.
Earlier this month, my information at SOE was compromised.

Anonymous sold my personal information to over 20 people that I can now confirm, they have my social security number amongst other information.

Censorship means, this data, had there been real laws, my information would've been protected.

Hacking banks hurts the general population...Hacking the FBI hurts the general population...They're hurting us...Not the government, in the long run, we, as a society are the ones that pay.

When is your personal freedom more important than the safety of an entire nation?

It's not, it will never be.

What you're saying is that censorship is wrong...Well it is, until it protects us all...Which, will happen.

The more government companies, security etc that they hack, the more we as an entity will pay.

I'm not going to attribute an -ism to this rationale but, if you think your personal freedoms are more important than an entire people's...You're crazy.

That includes censorship.

The more hacking that happens...The more your rights are at risk...And if they "lose control" we're absolutely going to be censored for the "good of us all".

It won't be your fault but, an individual is by far not as important as the collective.


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You don't get it. The more corporate toes these hacker groups step on the more bills are going to pass to increase congress's idea of internet security which will include much more restrictions on how we use our beloved internet. It's going to happen, it's inevitable but I think these groups are the catalyst to really speed things up.

It's a lose lose situation really. These groups are making it painfully obvious our current system is filled with backdoors and other insecurities so what is the obvious response from corporate and government? Impose more restrictions, make people pay per MB, go through multiple ID checkpoints, etc... so each and every packet can be traceable. You know... take away the stuff we take for granted every day.

I stand on neither side of the fence here.
Basically this in a nutshell.
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Was it Krunk Kracker who said that all LulzSec threads would be deleted?
    
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