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Originally Posted by Flatliner;13950134 
This.



Find my ONE business that isn't a charity of some sort that doesn't want to rule the world and make billions?

Any company that makes rape whistles. cool.gif

TL;DR: **** you tiered billing. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
This will only stem to hurt the mobile phone market even more. You already force customers into a data plan and now you cap the data usage. "Check out our amazing smartphone selection. Now pick how much you want bent over." The whole idea is a sham and it makes consumers feel like a rabbit about to have the stick pulled out from under the box.

Telecommunication companies are stifling innovation and expansion because of greed, nothing else. Cable companies and wireless providers are trying to capitalize on the upsurge of internet usage, purposefully punishing people who actually use their services to the full extent. Of course they want people to pay $40 a month for internet and only use it occasionally and for simple things. How else are they going to make money? Put more popular channels in higher tiers so people will pony up the extra dough.

If you’ve ever had to call someone to come fix your cable, for me at least, it’s like pulling teeth. Most places don’t even want to repair their current infrastructure, let alone spend their billions in profit making it better for customers. Scrape by on the bare minimum and keep the masses from “bleating.” The same cable line that brought you 1Mbps speeds hasn’t been touched, and now it can bring 15Mbps+? I’d like to know how that happens. Are companies like Time Warner Cable keeping soft caps on their speeds and just raise it anytime competitor gets close? I invite you to read the fine print on your companies’ policy. Oh, nobody else has TurboBoost? That’s probably because it’s a trademarked term by Time Warner…

If I pay for Pandora and let it run on my computer for the ~720 hours in each month, should I pay more? Probably, and that sounds like a contradiction. I pay for Showtime instead of HBO purely to watch Dexter. Should I pay less than someone watching the whole lineup of shows? It would be nice, but no. If you pay for unlimited, then you should get unlimited. AT&T claimed something near 5% of their residential customers use 20% of the bandwidth. If that’s truly the case, start looking at who and what they’re doing. If they are legitimate means of bandwidth usage, then why do they get punished? Because they don’t spend 30 minutes a day checking their email and uploading pictures? It seems you make enough money off unsuspecting customers that aren’t as technologically aware. Start looking to the people that aren't using legal methods in their line.

The problem is you aren’t given much choice to get away from these money-eyed carriers. AT&T is buying up market share to control the market and then make everyone bend to their will. They will keep 1-2 other companies to avoid a split like last time. Time Warner is the only internet provider I can get in the area apart from my wireless carrier.

I’m not purposefully picking on AT&T or TWC, but they seem to make the best bad example at the time of writing.

Edited by InfernoReaper - 6/21/11 at 9:39am
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Originally Posted by Flatliner;13950134 
This.



Find my ONE business that isn't a charity of some sort that doesn't want to rule the world and make billions?

my father's business. He adjust his prices to what people can afford to pay. A single mom going to school, he throws in free delivery and drops the price.

The same guy who helps out the homeless whenever he can, either providing them with a money and food, for a little honest days work. When it would be cheaper for him to pay some guy minimum wage to do the job.

Not everyone is out there to rip off his fellow man.
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Originally Posted by InfernoReaper;13951502 
Any company that makes rape whistles. cool.gif

TL;DR: **** you tiered billing. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
This will only stem to hurt the mobile phone market even more. You already force customers into a data plan and now you cap the data usage. "Check out our amazing smartphone selection. Now pick how much you want bent over." The whole idea is a sham and it makes consumers feel like a rabbit about to have the stick pulled out from under the box.

Telecommunication companies are stifling innovation and expansion because of greed, nothing else. Cable companies and wireless providers are trying to capitalize on the upsurge of internet usage, purposefully punishing people who actually use their services to the full extent. Of course they want people to pay $40 a month for internet and only use it occasionally and for simple things. How else are they going to make money? Put more popular channels in higher tiers so people will pony up the extra dough.

If you’ve ever had to call someone to come fix your cable, for me at least, it’s like pulling teeth. Most places don’t even want to repair their current infrastructure, let alone spend their billions in profit making it better for customers. Scrape by on the bare minimum and keep the masses from “bleating.” The same cable line that brought you 1Mbps speeds hasn’t been touched, and now it can bring 15Mbps+? I’d like to know how that happens. Are companies like Time Warner Cable keeping soft caps on their speeds and just raise it anytime competitor gets close? I invite you to read the fine print on your companies’ policy. Oh, nobody else has TurboBoost? That’s probably because it’s a trademarked term by Time Warner…

If I pay for Pandora and let it run on my computer for the ~720 hours in each month, should I pay more? Probably, and that sounds like a contradiction. I pay for Showtime instead of HBO purely to watch Dexter. Should I pay less than someone watching the whole lineup of shows? It would be nice, but no. If you pay for unlimited, then you should get unlimited. AT&T claimed something near 5% of their residential customers use 20% of the bandwidth. If that’s truly the case, start looking at who and what they’re doing. If they are legitimate means of bandwidth usage, then why do they get punished? Because they don’t spend 30 minutes a day checking their email and uploading pictures? It seems you make enough money off unsuspecting customers that aren’t as technologically aware. Start looking to the people that aren't using legal methods in their line.

The problem is you aren’t given much choice to get away from these money-eyed carriers. AT&T is buying up market share to control the market and then make everyone bend to their will. They will keep 1-2 other companies to avoid a split like last time. Time Warner is the only internet provider I can get in the area apart from my wireless carrier.

I’m not purposefully picking on AT&T or TWC, but they seem to make the best bad example at the time of writing.

That. Was. Genius! Well said mate.

Also: sigged TL;DR.
 
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Originally Posted by luXfer;13951311 
Here's the conundrum: assuming another company offering all the same services at a quality equal or better than these two behemoths steps in to try and save the day at a competitive rate, it will likely fail.

Consumers want security in what they sink money into, so they'll go for the more well-known, established brand name.

Even if the new company does retain some customers, both Verizon and AT&T are large enough to lower their own rates for long enough to squash the new-comer.

The larger problem is the lack of wireless spectrum for a new carrier. How is a new company supposed to step in?
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Originally Posted by DayoftheGreek;13945325 
Everyone is always gaming every system.

You are an idiot if you aren't.

Someone needs a lesson in logical fallacies smile.gif

Honestly I think just goes to show how important it is for colleges and second level education to focus on teaching ethics, especially the ethics of business.
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Topcomputertablets.com? Is this the Ops personal techblog or something?

A fine article, "Barbara" has written. The Android Market has over one million apps and games, eh?
 
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The way I see it, corporations and those that run them are the new nobilty. The new monarchy. No matter ho hard and smart any of us work, very few will ever crack those ranks. If we ever do, our lineage is practically guaranteed to stay at that level. Eventually they will squeeze and squeeze until people are in open rebellion, because the super rich have only one concern: to get richer.

Look at wal-mart as the prim example. If sam walton were alive today he'd be the richest man in the world 2x over, yet the Walton family still uses sweat shops, fights against living wages and health care and hires tons of illegal immigrants. Each Walton has something like $8-$20 billion but their only concern is getting richer.
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If the US wireless market becomes a duopoly it will be awful for consumers.

Look at Bell/Rogers (and their sub companies) in Canada, we get awful deals on wireless products because noone else is available.
    
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Does this paragraph make any sense to anyone?
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The four companies that control the market (and their estimated market share) are: AT&T (26.8%), Verizon (26.0%), Sprint (22.9%) and T-Mobile (11.0%). With the merger of AT&T and T-Mobile, AT&T (44.0%) and Verizon (30.5%) will control nearly three-fourths of the market; Sprint’s share will increase to 16 percent; and the rest of the providers will drop to 6.3 percent.

First off, how would Sprint's share increase from 22.9% to 16%? Secondly, how does AT&T's 26.8% plus Tmobile's 11% equate to 44%? Thirdly (if that is even a word), how does Verizon's share increase from 26% to 30.5%? This has me so irritated that I want to punch the person who wrote it. kungfu.gif
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Originally Posted by ryboto;13952087 
The larger problem is the lack of wireless spectrum for a new carrier. How is a new company supposed to step in?

And this right here is the reason we're in this mess: start up prices and ability. A normal business has competition because anybody can open a shop and compete. In telecommunications you can't just get a loan and buy a fiber network, cell towers, and the correct wireless spectrum. Imagine how much cheaper things would be if a small guy could compete? What the government(lol!) needs to do is step in and do some sort of leasing of the lines and towers. Sit and think about it for awhile and I'm sure somebody could come up with a system that works. Something that would allow start ups to bid on lines and towers in their area.
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