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The Twin Frozr II is a reference PCB, Arizonian, so it does have the weak VRMs, the Twin Frorz III is the one with the custom PCB and strong VRMs. Haven't I told you this before recently?
Ooppps , just looked at the pcb and noticed the Nvidia logo on the PCIe connector.

Yeah, to OP if it has the Nvidia logo on the side of the PCIe board that connects the card into the slot, it's a reference. If it has the vendor name, in your case is MSI then it's non-reference.
     
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Gainward do Non-Reference GTX570's with Extra VRM's aswell.. Like their Phantom.
Plus it looks good aswell.
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Thanks for the information. I am thinking I will go after the MSI Frozr III.

Though is the ASUS DCII the card mentioned? I don't specifically see any cards with the model DCU. Google will ask me "Did you mean ASUS DCII?"

Also, do these newer non-reference cards fit the same water blocks and aftermarket coolers as the original reference cards?
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Thanks for the information. I am thinking I will go after the MSI Frozr III.

Though is the ASUS DCII the card mentioned? I don't specifically see any cards with the model DCU. Google will ask me "Did you mean ASUS DCII?"

Also, do these newer non-reference cards fit the same water blocks and aftermarket coolers as the "original reference cards?
This is it right here. ASUS ENGTX570 DCII/2DIS/1280MD5 GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB

It's DCII but based off of DirectCU II
"Based on ASUS DirectCU architecture, which uses copper heat pipes in direct contact with the GPU to speed up heat dissipation for over 20% cooler performance, DirectCU II takes cooling further with twin 80mm fans for 600% airflow. This massive increase in cooling translates into an immediate performance gain, as the card can take on heavier loads. Gamers can also overclock the hardware further thanks to higher tolerances and lower temperatures".

Hmmm as for the water blocks, I've not had any experience. What I've read it does have to be reference cards. Can somone else chime in who knows this for sure?
     
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I've been reading that some cards will not allow MSI Afterburner to change voltages...including some MSI cards. No matter what I get it will be on water cooling and hopefully be running a healthy OC. I don't think I need to get into how important voltage increases might be.

Can any one give a first hand account on if a card can be voltage tweaked in Afterburner? Or a fully customizable BIOS?
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I have had all 3 cards, 560ti, 570, and 580 cards. I could see a noticeable improvement from an overclocked 560ti to a stock 570. I can't see much improvement in 1920x1200 gaming going to a 580 from a 570. I would say the 570's are the best overall top end buys on nvidia's side. Most people want to stay away from rep 570's due to the vrm issues though. I like the new MSI Lightning cards but they are spendy.

If you wont OC much the 570 ref cards are good buys in my opinion.

The MSI TF2 is a ref PCB from what I have read though.
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The GTX 570 is really good... at 1080p res though the difference was insignificant vs the 560ti. (by insignificant, I mean 100 dollars more for 6-9 fps)
Both the 570 and the 560ti were OC'd.

I know my benches were done in Metro 2033, which is pretty harsh on DX 11 cards...
    
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I've been reading that some cards will not allow MSI Afterburner to change voltages...including some MSI cards. No matter what I get it will be on water cooling and hopefully be running a healthy OC. I don't think I need to get into how important voltage increases might be.

Can any one give a first hand account on if a card can be voltage tweaked in Afterburner? Or a fully customizable BIOS?
No, not on this site you dont. All of the card you are considering can have thier voltage changed in MSI afterburner, the only one that almost couldn't was the Asus DCII because it uses a different VRM chip than either reference or MSI is using, but it is supported on MSI AB 2.2.0 beta 3 and above so you are good to go for all those cards.

The waterblock part is going to be more tricky, the only card I think I am aware of that has a strong VRM design and a waterblock made for it is a Gainward so therefore I believe a Palit will fit as well. I believe that EK makes the block for it and they call it something like "570 non ref GW". I'm not positive on any of that and I can't find that block on their site now so you may want to look into that on your own, but what I am positive about is that the MSI TFIII and the Asus DCII will not fit any full cover blocks made currently. Your best bet for them would be to get a GPU only block and then stick huge amounts of copper on the VRMs, like stupid amounts of copper. If you hack apart two of those you should be able to get plenty of cooling for the VRMs and while most wouldn't prefer it over a fullcover block it really would perform pretty well.

Getting a reference design PCB and then putting it under water is kinda pointless IMO, you'd be buying a card that you can't overvolt safely and then spending money to put it into a situation where it normally would be best for overvolting. The lower temps on the VRMs that watercooling would bring would not really make it safe even, it would still be a weak VRM design, just a slightly cooler weak VRM design.
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Yep there is something you should know...

IT KICKS ASS!
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I will probably hold off on water cooling till a full block is made. I am sure they have them on the design table right now. I'll probably develop a nervous twich untill I get it wet, but I'll survive.

I am thinking i will go with the ASUS 570 DCII Sounds like it comes with a decent stock cooler and once I get a water block for it the size isn't a problem if I ever decide to SLI in the future.
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