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Hi guys... I've been out of the loop for a few years. I haven't had much time to use my desktop or to play on it! Now that I am graduated and a working man I am going to do a little upgrading to my computer. Problem is... a lot of new stuff has come out and I haven't kept up. I did a little reading and I've got some good ideas but I could use some help filling in the gaps.
  • Monitor.... either a Dell U3011 or a HP ZR30w
  • Case... no idea, might just keep the ol' stacker
  • Keyboard... looking for something with a nice feel (quality) but nothing over the top
  • Wifi N Card... definitely need wireless N for my desktop!
  • Power Supply... I am of the opinion that my OP650 is just fine...
  • CPU... from my research I am looking at either the 2500K... I can't quite understand the purpose of the 2600K ($100 more for 100Mhz???). I like the idea of the 2500S or 2600S but I don't see them on Newegg.
  • Motherboard... From my research Z68 is the way to go. However they are so many motherboard with so many silly-named features it is hard for me to keep up....
  • Memory... I am looking at 4 x 4GB DDR3-1333 CL7 @ 1.5V from G.Skill
  • Video Card... I haven't kept up with the market at all. I currently have a 4870 and have been happy with it. I have had Nvidia before that and was just as happy.
  • SSD... I have a Intel X25-M G2 in my laptop now and love it. My buddy has a Vertex 2 in his and loves it. Anandtech seems to prefer the Intel 510 but I am up for that or the Vertex 3. Considering a RAID0 array.
  • HDD... Some sort of large drive for storage... not important.

I'd love to get some imput...
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post #2 of 21
The 2600K has 4 extra threads and 2MB more cache. Unless you're doing heavy video editing/rendering/encoding, the 2500K will do just fine. They're both identical performing for games. Put the $100 elsewhere.

16GB of RAM? Kind of overkill. 8GB is plenty already. Not much of a price bump going with 1600 MHz speeds either. Edit: It looks as though you have a set of DDR3 1600 CL7 already no?

GTX 570/580 or 2GB Radeon 6950/6970 are the popular cards right now for high-end. Great PSU you got there for the cards too.

Samsung F3 1TB for the HDD...great fast drives.

Got me a Stacker too
Edited by Tig Ol Bitties - 6/21/11 at 6:13pm
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Agreed with all of the above ^^

Also, the ram can be CL9 - with Sandy Bridge the CL is barely important, it's all about frequency, and honestly 1600 - 1866 CL9 is the sweet spot across all reviews.

Make sure you get a 2500k not a 2500s. The ability to overclock is denoted by the k and these chips NEED to be overclocked; not that they're slow stock ... not at all, but simply they're wonderful overclockers.
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First of all, knowing your budget would help .
    
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Originally Posted by Tig Ol Bitties View Post
The 2600K has 4 extra threads and 2MB more cache. Unless you're doing heavy video editing/rendering/encoding, the 2500K will do just fine. They're both identical performing for games. Put the $100 elsewhere.

16GB of RAM? Kind of overkill. 8GB is plenty already. Not much of a price bump going with 1600 MHz speeds either. Edit: It looks as though you have a set of DDR3 1600 CL7 already no?

GTX 570/580 or 2GB Radeon 6950/6970 are the popular cards right now for high-end. Great PSU you got there for the cards too.

Samsung F3 1TB for the HDD...great fast drives.

Got me a Stacker too
I have found... at least in my limited experience, that HT actually detracts performance. Whenever you have a single threaded application that is now only using 1/8th of the total CPU instead of 1/4th it slows thing down! I find more applications are single threaded then aren't!

Noted on the RAM. I have 8GB in my laptop and I figured that 16GB would be a good count for the desktop. I'll look into 1600Mhz 8GB sets.

I will also do a little reading on the graphics cards.

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Agreed with all of the above ^^

Also, the ram can be CL9 - with Sandy Bridge the CL is barely important, it's all about frequency, and honestly 1600 - 1866 CL9 is the sweet spot across all reviews.

Make sure you get a 2500k not a 2500s. The ability to overclock is denoted by the k and these chips NEED to be overclocked; not that they're slow stock ... not at all, but simply they're wonderful overclockers.
Interesting... I will look into the 1600Mhz RAM.

I had read that about the computers and the idea of a low power CPU interested me. But you are probably right, the K is a better route.

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First of all, knowing your budget would help .
I don't really have an overall budget... I'm not spending money just to spend it. I'm looking for best bang for the buck with a taste of performance. There is that point where the hardware starts increasing in price at a rate that is very disproportionate to its performance... that's where I stop. I don't need the best.
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Unless you are doing any video editing, encoding, c4d, etc there is no point into going beyond 4gb of ram for a purely gaming build. You are just not going to see any kind of performance bump.

Since you are getting a ssd and a dedicated gpu, there is no point in getting a z68 board. I would grab a p67 board, I recommend the asus pro line, but there are other good options from around the net.

I already recommended the das with mx brows for your keyboard in your other thread.

It would be pointless to get a 2600k over the 2500k unless you are doing some of the above mentioned uses under ram.

Don't buy an OCZ product period, they screwed people by selling them the wrong nm parts in the 2 line of SSDs and getting much slower speeds. Now their 3 line is not playing nice with the sand force drivers and they are screwing people again by not truly acknowledging the problem. Buying an OCZ product is like buying razer, you just don't do it unless you want to get screwed.
Edited by Grief - 6/21/11 at 6:32pm
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post #7 of 21
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Unless you are doing any video editing, encoding, c4d, etc there is no point into going beyond 4gb of ram for a purely gaming build. You are just not going to see any kind of performance bump.

Since you are getting a ssd and a dedicated gpu, there is no point in getting a z68 board. I would grab a p67 board, I recommend the asus pro line, but there are other good options from around the net.

I already recommended the das with mx brows for your keyboard in your other thread.

It would be pointless to get a 2600k over the 2500k unless you are doing some of the above mentioned uses under ram.

Don't buy an OCZ product period, they screwed people by selling them the wrong parts in the 2 line of SSDs and now their 3 line is not playing nice with the sand force drivers and they are screwing people again by not truly acknowledging the problem. Buying an OCZ product is like buying razer, you just don't do it unless you want to get screwed.
When I was in college I went from 4GB DDR3 to 8GB DDR3 in my laptop and it proved to be a valuable upgrade. However I was running a lot of CAD software and MATLAB which I don't think I'll be doing to much of on my personally computer anymore. However, I think 8GB is probably a good basis. (my laptop is using 1.98GB / 8.00GB right now with nothing more than my browser active... Win7 uses more memory the more you offer it).

I agree about the processor though.

I'm not sure about the motherboard chipset. Anandtech seemed to imply that P67 was pointless with the release of Z68. However I see your point. I guess I will just have to look at the price difference.

Thanks
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When I was in college I went from 4GB DDR3 to 8GB DDR3 in my laptop and it proved to be a valuable upgrade. However I was running a lot of CAD software and MATLAB which I don't think I'll be doing to much of on my personally computer anymore. However, I think 8GB is probably a good basis. (my laptop is using 1.98GB / 8.00GB right now with nothing more than my browser active... Win7 uses more memory the more you offer it).

I agree about the processor though.

I'm not sure about the motherboard chipset. Anandtech seemed to imply that P67 was pointless with the release of Z68. However I see your point. I guess I will just have to look at the price difference.

Thanks
Yes, CAD would definitely be one of those options that requires more RAM. If you are only using this for gaming, then I would say go with the 4 gb, or if you find a really good deal on a 2x4gb set (like I did!).

In terms of P67 vs Z68, its not really pointless since there is still the price difference where P67 where probably win, but I haven't done too much research here.
The advantages of Z68 are SSD caching, P67 overclocking, and H67 dedicated graphics. You are getting an SSD and dedicated gpu, so that leaves only OC, which you can get from a P67 board.
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I'm planning on getting an z68 board for my 2500k because eventually a 2500k+z68 is going to be old, and I'm gonna move on to bigger better thing, including videocards. So it'll be nice to have a system around that i don't have to keep a GPU/dedicated gFX card in. Plus, they're about the same price, so I would rather get the additional features. Also, they should theoretically be worth more should I ever plan on reselling it. Sounds like all benefits to me.

The only detractor is that the z68 boards aren't as mature yet, and could still have a few bugs to work out. However, since they are so near the p67, they could be considered semi-mature.

8GB is the way to go if it is a general use/gaming machine. I'm getting these: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM

I agree with the previous statements regarding 2500k vs 2600k and hyperthreading.
Edited by glycerin256 - 6/21/11 at 7:13pm
 
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