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Hi all,

Seems that 3dmark11 is memory bandwidth hungry, or am I wrong?

At the moment I can see that the people who really pull it hard is running their memory modules at CL7, 7,7,7,21 1T or something at a frequency of like 2000MHz.

I am running CL9, 9,9,9,9, 24 2T and frequency at 1600MHz. The memory bandwidth is the only fact I can see that makes the difference, when I compare and analyse results!

I have higher clocks on GFX and CPU, and my scores are higher in everything but the physic test, - the physic tests leave me like 1200 points behind the super memory people.

Will one of you, with this incredible memory, do me a favour and make a test with these extreme memory timings, and another with low timings like those I am running with, and post a screenshot of 3dmark11 of both?

I need a new motherboard, since my new Gene-Z broke down after 2 days. When I am in the store I might get some new memory too, if someone will be nice and show me that it will benefit me with these 1200 3dmark11 points :-)

I personally have noticed that my RAM influences my benchmark results the most at it´s rated timings and a high frequency.

But the biggest visible factor in 3DMark11 is the CPU.
A high CPU frequency will easily boost your graphics scores by about 10-15%.

You can observe this with our 26K or 990X extreme overclockers here

For example with my RAM: 2200MHZ and 8-8-8-24-1 has a 9% performance advantage over 1950MHZ 7-7-7-20-1 in 3DMark 11.
Also I bench with 12GB RAM which should additionally contribute to the process.
Edited by Kung Pow - 8/17/11 at 4:39am
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I personally have noticed that my RAM influences my benchmark results the most at it´s rated timings and a high frequency.

But the biggest visible factor in 3DMark11 is the CPU.
A high CPU frequency will easily boost your graphics scores by about 10-15%.

You can observe this with our 26K or 990X extreme overclockers here

For example with my RAM: 2200MHZ and 8-8-8-24-1 has a 9% performance advantage over 1950MHZ 7-7-7-20-1 in 3DMark 11.
Also I bench with 12GB RAM which should additionally contribute to the process.
Thank you, for the quick reply.

So what you say is, that I should go for 2000MHz+ memory and care less about the timings?

Can you post me some links to your 3dmark11 archievements with high vs low memory frequency? if you have any?

PS. I read somewhere earlier that high frequency on sandy bridge was useless, but that is not what I see around me. Maybe its useless in non-oc environment, but there is definitly something going on, when people overclock.
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No, what I am telling you is that you should concentrate on your CPU overclock if you are willing to increase your graphics scores in 3DMark11 through other score influencing hardware than your GPU

The RAM frequency/timings only play a marginal roll in the scores as does the Vram as well

Tests and benchmark studies have clearly shown that espeically with 3DMark11 the CPU frequency is highly relevant for the achievment of high scores.

You should only be concerned with your RAM overclock when you have already optimized the OC conditions of your CPU and use it for finetuning of the scores to get the last drop out of it.

But essentially the RAM is not as relevant as the CPU considering 3DMark 11.

You can check out my scores in the Hall of Fame.
I am actually a good example for the influence of the CPU.
As you can see my Lightning is clocked to 1GHZ still most of the guys here with 980MHZ core and a 26K at +5GHZ beat my 3DMark 11 scores easily.
Which has to do with my CPU only clocked to 4.1GHZ.
But that will change as soon as my rig is complete and I got my watercooling on ^^

I can´t see any specs of your system in your sig , post what hardware you have!
Edited by Kung Pow - 8/17/11 at 5:47am
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No, what I am telling you is that you should concentrate on your CPU overclock if you are willing to increase your graphics scores in 3DMark11 through other score influencing hardware than your GPU

The RAM frequency/timings only play a marginal roll in the scores as does the Vram as well

Tests and benchmark studies have clearly shown that espeically with 3DMark11 the CPU frequency is highly relevant for the achievment of high scores.

You should only be concerned with your RAM overclock when you have already optimized the OC conditions of your CPU and use it for finetuning of the scores to get the last drop out of it.

But essentially the RAM is not as relevant as the CPU considering 3DMark 11.

You can check out my scores in the Hall of Fame.
I am actually a good example for the influence of the CPU.
As you can see my Lightning is clocked to 1GHZ still most of the guys here with 980MHZ core and a 26K at +5GHZ beat my 3DMark 11 scores easily.
Which has to do with my CPU only clocked to 4.1GHZ.
But that will change as soon as my rig is complete and I got my watercooling on ^^

I can´t see any specs of your system in your sig , post what hardware you have!
1) My 2600K is running 5.4GHz on all 4 cores. My CPU cant really run stable above that.

2) My 580SOC is running 1049MHz on GPU, and 4.8Ghz on memory.

3) My 3dmark11 score is only P8507.

4) My 3dmarkVantage score was P33105 at 5.3GHz on the CPU link

I am pretty high on everything but memory clocks, and when I take a look at the top on hwbot, I can see memory frequence and timings.

In 3dmark11 my physics scores are approx 1200 below the competitors, which is pretty annoying and makes me crazy.
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Ok didn´t know everything was already that maxed out

If you compare your results to the ones in our Hall of Fame I would say cudos
If you are comparing your scores to the upper world class of Hwbot you have to understand a very important fact.
Those people don´t just splash on Windows 7 Ultimate and are benching while looking at their holiday pictures.

They have a completely benchmark optimized PC environment both considering hardware and software area.

It is not only the hardware which can squeeze out a higher score often a clean and benchmark orientated software environment can result in benefits to the scores as well.


But considering the rest of your hardware aside from the software aspect your RAM might a good source of tweaking in order to gain a little higher scores in 3DMark.
Please state your RAM and OC settings.
Edited by Kung Pow - 8/17/11 at 5:47am
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Well the problems is i cant seem to get it stable at anything else than the factory oc clocks.
Im thinking that it might be due to the 3gb of vram on it, could it be stressing the PCB/VRM's too much, when oc'd ??

Anyway, i am at work atm, and i cannot remember the exact settings ive been trying, will edit them into this post once i get home
Are you upping the voltage appropriately? I clock as high as 970 and 2450 in memory so it's not due to the 3GB of ram mate.
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1) My 2600K is running 5.4GHz on all 4 cores. My CPU cant really run stable above that.

2) My 580SOC is running 1049MHz on GPU, and 4.8Ghz on memory.

3) My 3dmark11 score is only P8507.

4) My 3dmarkVantage score was P33105 at 5.3GHz on the CPU link

I am pretty high on everything but memory clocks, and when I take a look at the top on hwbot, I can see memory frequence and timings.

In 3dmark11 my physics scores are approx 1200 below the competitors, which is pretty annoying and makes me crazy.
dang you've got a very good gpu bro! Now some thoughts about your problem...

SB loves high memory overclocks, timings are secondary. I'm at 2200 at only cl9-11-9-28. If you can overclock your kit do it. But those probably are mediocre CL9 1600mhz which doesn't have PSC chips on them.

Your PT score is low compared to mine, your cpu is probably throttling, disable in the BIOS the cpu thermal protection option.

You should be hitting north of 8.6k if you ask me.
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CPU features should generally be set off when engaging a high CPU overclock.
Don´t you think he knows that ?

I don´t think that his RAM is to be considered the ground reason for his "performance problem".

From what I have seen so far regarding his other hardware I very much believe that the answer concerning this problem resides in the software area.

Of course paying some attention to the optimal adjustment of the RAM is not trivial but I would recommend to precisely check for programs running in the backround and other Windows/process related subjects that could exhaust the system and cause lower scores.
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Yes, that it is clearly a throttling of the chip.
Scaling problems and sudden performance drops are definately indicators for the chip not being able to handle the extent of the applied OC and throttling which is a protection mechanism.

You have just found your OC limit
Don´t worry though 1GHZ on a reference GTX 580 is very rare and you can be proud to have achieved it!
You have a golden card my man.

Haha hey a fellow x58 OC board owner
And we almost have the same PSU as well xD but mine is in RMA right now anyway.
That board is amazing right?
BTW I love those fittings!! what are those ?
Looking really nice

Edit:Here is a pic of my x58 OC build^^(desperately needs cable management)
**Pic Snip**
Thanks, KP.

I'm still figuring out the board but first impressions are good. Am able to push my 980X much further than before.

Those are XSPC 1/2-3/4 compression fittings; cheap and good.

I have a lot planned for the tech bench; need to sleeve my cables, and actually attach the fans to the rad.

Managed to push my card further to 1010MHz and got my highest score yet. Unfortunately, I still cannot break 8k on the graphics score in 3DMark11.

After seeing this thread, I wish I got a non-reference card...
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That's why I said "probably." If he did disable it then on to the next solution.

Kung Pow, if you have an SB setup you'll probably know what I'm talking about, re: ram speed.

It is always good to have second opinions, just a reminder.
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