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This project is to build two computers within a single case with the highest degree of integration possible. The two computers will be my main 1156 based rig for gaming/high-powered applications, and probably an ASUS Atom/Ion mini-itx board. On this thread, I want to share progress and get advice from you all about whatever hardware/ideas you can think of.

The goals:
1. Both computers will share a wall socket.
2. Both computers will be able to run at once.
3. Both computers will be able to run alone.
4. Both computers will share a common set of files, though not necessarily a single OS installation.
5. Both computers will be able to share a common set of input devices/screens. Ideally this also means allocating certain devices to certain computers at different times.
5.5. Both computers will share a single Ethernet cable/IO panel.
6. The system will able to boot and run without fans, and will still be able to browse the internet/playback media.
7. No significant compromises.
8. Cost must be kept low.
9. Power consumption must be kept as low as possible.

The solutions (numbers matched to goals):
1. Y splitter power cable goes to a small (hopefully efficient) power supply.
2. The computers will have separate power buttons and power supplies. They will also have separate boot disks, allowing them to run simultaneously or alone.
3. See above.
4. Unsure how to handle this. I might decide to hook all the file storage drives up to the Atom/Ion computer so that it can be used as a sort of networked storage for the other computer.
5. Probably going to use a KVM switch for this. I need to find a switch that has all the functionality I need (USB/Mouse/Keyboard/monitors).
5.5. Not sure about this one. Maybe a network switch. Not sure about the IO panel (maybe this could be solved by a real serious switch which does more than just KVM).
6. The Atom/Ion board is passively cooled. The mini power supply is also going to be passively cooled.
7. ...
8. ...
9...

Other considerations:

I might be able to keep two sets of drivers in a single OS installation, and boot into that OS from either motherboard.

Hardware Setup (planned so far):

Main computer components:
ASUS 1156 motherboard
i7 860
Gigabyte Gtx 275
4GB RAM
Boot drive
corsair 650 watt PSU

Auxiliary computer components:
ASUS mini-itx Ion/Atom board
ASUS Essence Xonar STX
2/4 GB RAM
small SSD boot drive.
small form factor passive PSU

Additional Components:
hard drives (a bunch)
KVM switch
Network switch


Any ideas anyone? I'll be adding information as it comes to me.
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This sounds very interesting.

Any idea what case you'll use?
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Originally Posted by kuehlman View Post
This sounds very interesting.

Any idea what case you'll use?
Not quite sure yet. I think I'm going to work out the components first to see what I need to fit in there.

This thread might also eventually serve as a parts list for anyone that wants an energy efficient/silent PC sometimes and a gaming computer others
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Maybe a fusion based computer might take the place of the atom/ion half
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I don't belive that 2 systems can access the same boot device at the same time. Maybe a network boot, but at that point, you just have a terminal/host network set up.


Why don't you just build 2 computers and then fuse them together with superglue?
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post #6 of 9
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I don't belive that 2 systems can access the same boot device at the same time. Maybe a network boot, but at that point, you just have a terminal/host network set up.


Why don't you just build 2 computers and then fuse them together with superglue?
If I said that was one of my goals, please point out where and I'll correct it. Simultaneous booting from the same drive is not one of my goals.

I'm out of superglue and that idea doesn't solve any of my goals.

Way to be That Guy

edit:
Edited by imblind - 6/23/11 at 6:18pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by imblind View Post
This project is to build two computers within a single case with the highest degree of integration possible. The two computers will be my main 1156 based rig for gaming/high-powered applications, and probably an ASUS Atom/Ion mini-itx board. On this thread, I want to share progress and get advice from you all about whatever hardware/ideas you can think of.

The goals:
1. Both computers will share a wall socket.
2. Both computers will be able to run at once.
3. Both computers will be able to run alone.
4. Both computers will share a common set of files, though not necessarily a single OS installation.
5. Both computers will be able to share a common set of input devices/screens. Ideally this also means allocating certain devices to certain computers at different times.
5.5. Both computers will share a single Ethernet cable/IO panel.
6. The system will able to boot and run without fans, and will still be able to browse the internet/playback media.
7. No significant compromises.
8. Cost must be kept low.
9. Power consumption must be kept as low as possible.

The solutions (numbers matched to goals):
1. Y splitter power cable goes to a small (hopefully efficient) power supply.
2. The computers will have separate power buttons and power supplies. They will also have separate boot disks, allowing them to run simultaneously or alone.
3. See above.
4. Unsure how to handle this. I might decide to hook all the file storage drives up to the Atom/Ion computer so that it can be used as a sort of networked storage for the other computer.
5. Probably going to use a KVM switch for this. I need to find a switch that has all the functionality I need (USB/Mouse/Keyboard/monitors).
5.5. Not sure about this one. Maybe a network switch. Not sure about the IO panel (maybe this could be solved by a real serious switch which does more than just KVM).
6. The Atom/Ion board is passively cooled. The mini power supply is also going to be passively cooled.
7. ...
8. ...
9...

Other considerations:

I might be able to keep two sets of drivers in a single OS installation, and boot into that OS from either motherboard.
Hardware Setup (planned so far):

Main computer components:
ASUS 1156 motherboard
i7 860
Gigabyte Gtx 275
4GB RAM
Boot drive
corsair 650 watt PSU

Auxiliary computer components:
ASUS mini-itx Ion/Atom board
ASUS Essence Xonar STX
2/4 GB RAM
small SSD boot drive.
small form factor passive PSU

Additional Components:
hard drives (a bunch)
KVM switch
Network switch


Any ideas anyone? I'll be adding information as it comes to me.
See the red. That's how I understood it.

Edit:Way to be imblind

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post #8 of 9
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Quote:
Originally Posted by That Guy View Post
See the red. That's how I understood it.
Sorry, from either motherboard, not from both. I already know that two computers can share the same OS drive at different times (I use a drive to troubleshoot between my different computers when their OSs tank).

edit: touche

edit: This isn't clear. The main (more powerful) 1156 system will have a boot drive. The Small atom based system will have a boot drive, but will also be able to boot from the other drive, ideally.
Edited by imblind - 6/23/11 at 6:31pm
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Some more hardware:

The Ion/Atom board is one I have lying around. This one:
Auxiliary Board

And some RAM for it:
Low-watt RAM

And this as a boot-drive for it:
Silent boot drive

And the power supply:
Low wattage PSU

edit: possibility for the KVM switch
kvm switch

edit: because I need 3/4 hard drives and a sound card to boot along with the computer even in a powered down mode, I've decided to try to hook both computers up to a single power supply. To make it basically silent: I'm going to use a Seasonic Gold-rated PSU to create a minimal amount of heat and then cool in with a scythe AP15 (I have a stash).
Edited by imblind - 6/24/11 at 1:10am
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