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Nope. But they can clearly survive a lot. They are listed on the Enterprise section of WD's website. They are intended for heavy use situations like this.

I can't say they're the best solution, but nobody will laugh at you for choosing them. They would if you went with $50 desktop drives, though.
Thanks again Kramy. It's time for me to read up on how RAID5 (really) works.
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Thanks again Kramy. It's time for me to read up on how RAID5 (really) works.
yeah i would say the raptors are a good choice for some good performance without breaking the bank.

RAID1 or 5

just keep in mind that depending on the workload if there are a lot of writes under some circumstances raid5 can be slow with writes especially if you are not on a good raid card

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standar..._levels#RAID_5

i have raid5 on my desktop and get great read speeds but meh write speeds. but with raptors im sure it would be better cause i just have regular old seagate 1.5TB drives
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Ok, client insists on using SAS Ultrastar 15K600 (300GB) enterprise drives.

Guess I will be going with a server build. Build so far:

ASUS P8B-E/4L

Kingston 4GB ECC DDR3 1333

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*edit* His POS guy is going to install Windows XP Pro on this machine. Shouldn't be running a Server version of XP?

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If you want SAS on a good budget pick up a PERC6/i with a BBU. You can find a full kit for under $200 - if you look hard enough, $140 is what I got mine for.
Sorry, I'm new to hdd controller add-in cards. What does BBU stand for?
Edited by AzO - 7/15/11 at 9:31pm
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Sorry, I'm new to hdd controller add-in cards. What does BBU stand for?
Battery Backup Unit.

That way if the PSU fails, the RAID controller can hold onto the data in its cache until power is restored.

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Ok, client insists on using SAS Ultrastar 15K600 (300GB) enterprise drives.
Well, there goes the $500 budget.

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*edit* His POS guy is going to install Windows XP Pro on this machine. Shouldn't be running a Server version of XP?
You mean like Windows Server 2003?

No idea. XP is quite stable and has decent hardware support. The only negative that I can see in regards to servers is the "# of physical CPUs" limit and RAM limitations.
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well acording to the ssd heath app i got installed my ssd will last over 8 years. buy then i hope i got new ssd's

also who keeps a mechanical drive that long??
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well acording to the ssd heath app i got installed my ssd will last over 8 years. buy then i hope i got new ssd's

also who keeps a mechanical drive that long??
That is a guestimate of how long the NAND will last.

It does not account for failure of other parts of the SSD, and it does not factor in aging.
     
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Well, there goes the $500 budget.

You mean like Windows Server 2003?

No idea. XP is quite stable and has decent hardware support. The only negative that I can see in regards to servers is the "# of physical CPUs" limit and RAM limitations.
Yes, it's the RAM limitations I'm concerned about. XP's limit is 4GB and after installation the system will probably see 3GB of it.

Is there a software compatibility difference from XP and Windows Server? It's only going to run the POS software and MS Office nothing else.

The cost factor has been removed, so no cap. Client just wants something that will stand a beating and stand the test of time.

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well acording to the ssd heath app i got installed my ssd will last over 8 years. buy then i hope i got new ssd's

also who keeps a mechanical drive that long??
Businesses, down time = $$$ lots of it. Think from a business perspective.

Like Kramy said, 8 years is the expected life expectancy. It doesn't account for 24/7 non-stop read/write usage. Consumer drives (hdds & ssds) are designed for consumer usage in mind, what they state will last for 8 years in a single user environment will probably last a month in a multi-user business environment.
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Is there a software compatibility difference from XP and Windows Server? It's only going to run the POS software and MS Office nothing else.
Not a huge difference. This is more relevant to my use of the OS - some games check for Windows Server 2003 and refuse to run.

I suspect the RAM is the only big thing.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...=vs.85%29.aspx
     
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Enterprise class HDD (mechanical) should be compared to Enterprise SSD's IMO.
how many business rely on ssd storage system compared to hdd system even if they consist of sas 1TB drives


its simple ... ssd's cost too much and havent proven their reliability ... wich is what comes first in business critical runtime





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Thanks again Kramy. It's time for me to read up on how RAID5 (really) works.

raid 5 or raid 6 is the only option there ....


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Ok, client insists on using SAS Ultrastar 15K600 (300GB) enterprise drives.

Guess I will be going with a server build. Build so far:

ASUS P8B-E/4L

Kingston 4GB ECC DDR3 1333

Intel Xeon 3.2GHz E3-1235 Sandy Bridge

HITACHI Ultrastar SAS 15K600 300GB

SeaSonic X650

*edit* His POS guy is going to install Windows XP Pro on this machine. Shouldn't be running a Server version of XP?



Sorry, I'm new to hdd controller add-in cards. What does BBU stand for?

BBU = battery backup unit


and i suggest you go and search for different sas raid controler and how much they cost vs their feature/performance ... + you might also gain good feedback from other users ...


and btw xp or anything else would do just fine if there are drivers for the raid card you choose ... but then again if i were him id choose an os that supports more ram ... maybe win 7 ???
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Not a huge difference. This is more relevant to my use of the OS - some games check for Windows Server 2003 and refuse to run.

I suspect the RAM is the only big thing.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...=vs.85%29.aspx
Yeah, the amount of memory usable is a slight concern, but the problem now is he wants hot swappable SAS drives and there's no case I know of that has SAS hot swappable drives other that server racks.

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and i suggest you go and search for different sas raid controler and how much they cost vs their feature/performance ... + you might also gain good feedback from other users ...


and btw xp or anything else would do just fine if there are drivers for the raid card you choose ... but then again if i were him id choose an os that supports more ram ... maybe win 7 ???
Are you saying the SAS controller on the Asus is no good?

He doesn't know if the POS software will run on Windows 7 or not.
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