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Right now, the CMStorm Spawn would be the best choice. I'm interesting in seeing what Mionix has in plan.

I would love to see Mionix build an Avago ADNS-3090 sensor into the Naos mouse shell, and use an optical scroll wheel encoder, like the Spawn, that would be epic!
    
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post #22 of 51
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Originally Posted by cuad;14231012 
And yeah, I know about Strenx, and I enjoy his shaft.

lol

On a more serious note, the STMicroelectronics OS MLT 04 (Microsoft Proprietary) is one of the best sensors, too.
post #23 of 51
So, to conclude.

Right now the best sensor is the dual 4g from Razer, right? The one that uses Razer Mamba 2012 and Imperator 2012.

But, in comparison.
Avago S9500 of Logitech G500 -> ADNS-3090 of Logitech G400 -> Avago S3888 of Razer DeathAdder

Correct?
Where in this order would stay Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032 of Razer Imperator 3.5G?

Also, what is that FPS of Microsoft Intelli Mouse 3.0 that has it at 9000 value? Can someone explain this FPS stuff?
Edited by dramadeur - 1/29/12 at 3:58am
post #24 of 51
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Originally Posted by dramadeur View Post

So, to conclude.
Right now the best sensor is the dual 4g from Razer, right? The one that uses Razer Mamba 2012 and Imperator 2012.
But, in comparison.
Avago S9500 of Logitech G500 -> ADNS-3090 of Logitech G400 -> Avago S3888 of Razer DeathAdder
Correct?
Where in this order would stay Philips Twin Eye PLN 2032 of Razer Imperator 3.5G?
Also, what is that FPS of Microsoft Intelli Mouse 3.0 that has it at 9000 value? Can someone explain this FPS stuff?

In terms of precision I'd put them this way:

Philips Twin-Eye > Avago s3668 ~= 3090 ~= 3888 ~= OS MLT 04 >> 9500

Tracking Speed (with consideration of tracking quality and consistency):

Twin-Eye > 9500 >> Avago s3668 ~= 3090 ~= 3888 >> OS MLT 04

Edit: Lift-Off Distance ( ">" means better/lower not higher wink.gif ):

Twin-Eye > 9500 > Avago s3668 > 3090 ~= 3888 (can't compare the OS MLT 04 right now)

Unfortunately all 3.5G and 4G mice from Razer except Mamba 3.5G with firmware version under 1.07 have dynamic DPI scaling activated by default, which ruins all the precision due to the horrible acceleration it gives. Also lets not forget in the term "best sensor" that the Twin-Eyes all have the z-axis tracking which is giving users trouble on soft mousepads or when there are vibrations (like subwoofer under the desk).
Edited by MONVMENTVM - 1/29/12 at 6:11am
post #25 of 51
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Originally Posted by MONVMENTVM View Post

In terms of precision I'd put them this way:
Philips Twin-Eye > Avago s3668 ~= 3090 ~= 3888 > 9500
Tracking Speed (with consideration of tracking quality and consistency):
Twin-Eye > 9500 > Avago s3668 ~= 3090 ~= 3888
Unfortunately all 3.5G and 4G mice from Razer except Mamba 3.5G with firmware version under 1.07 have dynamic DPI scaling activated by default, which ruins all the precision due to the horrible acceleration it gives. Also lets not forget in the term "best sensor" that the Twin-Eyes all have the z-axis tracking which is giving users trouble on soft mousepads or when there are vibrations (like subwoofer under the desk).

Assuming you're factoring acceleration into "precision" right? I personally consider the 9500 more "precise" as it handles 3500 CPI and beyond much better than the 20 pin optical variants. It isn't as "surface dependent" if you will.

I would consider the Z-Axis flaw on the same level as the 9500's minor inconsistent accel, but that's my opinion.
post #26 of 51
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Assuming you're factoring acceleration into "precision" right? I personally consider the 9500 more "precise" as it handles 3500 CPI and beyond much better than the 20 pin optical variants. It isn't as "surface dependent" if you will.

Do you really care about tracking over 2000 DPI? I can understand you trying to defend the 9500 (when the acceleration doesn't kick in i love the tracking quality too), but let's not exaggerate. Obviously no sensor even comes close to the precision of 3888/3090. Yes these laser sensors have great potential, but until they are fixed i rather use the 3050 or the Pixart sensor.
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I would consider the Z-Axis flaw on the same level as the 9500's minor inconsistent accel, but that's my opinion.
I agree, they are on the same level. They both ruin the gaming experience. Anyway i assume you're talking about the Sensei, because the acceleration in Xai & Co is nowhere near minor.
post #27 of 51
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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

Assuming you're factoring acceleration into "precision" right? I personally consider the 9500 more "precise" as it handles 3500 CPI and beyond much better than the 20 pin optical variants. It isn't as "surface dependent" if you will.
I would consider the Z-Axis flaw on the same level as the 9500's minor inconsistent accel, but that's my opinion.

Yes you're right I was referring precision to as close to 1:1 tracking as possible. About the jitter at higher CPI levels with these optical sensors and acceleration/inconsistency in the 9500 it's hard to tell which is better imho... the jitter is definitely more annoying (especially when doing small precise moves) but in absolute values the tracking of the 9500 will probably be more off (especially when doing larger swipes). All in all I think the opticals deserve to be called "more precise" because not that many use such high CPI settings where jitter occurs and the 9500 is showing little inconsistency no matter which CPI setting.

The z-axis tracking definitely is not to be ignored and I'm always mentioning this, but I was just comparing their tracking precision/quality alone.
post #28 of 51
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Do you really care about tracking over 2000 DPI? I can understand you trying to defend the 9500 (when the acceleration doesn't kick in i love the tracking quality too), but let's not exaggerate. Obviously no sensor even comes close to the precision of 3888/3090. Yes these laser sensors have great potential, but until they are fixed i rather use the 3050 or the Pixart sensor.
I agree, they are on the same level. They both ruin the gaming experience. Anyway i assume you're talking about the Sensei, because the acceleration in Xai & Co is nowhere near minor.

I don't, but others may?

I'm not really exaggerating, but I may define precision in a similar matter to a mouse manufacturer. You see the 9500 can indeed scale up and exceed the hardware limitations of the S3888/3090 IC. It's not really me trying to defend anything.

Now you're not exactly wrong as 1800 CPI (or lower) may be fast enough for "you". Maximum precision on a desktop or game engine is only defined by the sensitivity settings. As a "mouse", I think differently. I consider precision as tracking quality via higher or highest CPI settings. In which case, I find the 9500 superior.

Acceleration and Z-axis are just external issues from my point of view.

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Originally Posted by MONVMENTVM View Post

Yes you're right I was referring precision to as close to 1:1 tracking as possible. About the jitter at higher CPI levels with these optical sensors and acceleration/inconsistency in the 9500 it's hard to tell which is better imho... the jitter is definitely more annoying (especially when doing small precise moves) but in absolute values the tracking of the 9500 will probably be more off (especially when doing larger swipes). All in all I think the opticals deserve to be called "more precise" because not that many use such high CPI settings where jitter occurs and the 9500 is showing little inconsistency no matter which CPI setting.
The z-axis tracking definitely is not to be ignored and I'm always mentioning this, but I was just comparing their tracking precision/quality alone.

Of course. The 9500 acceleration is still there as well. 8)
Edited by Skylit - 1/29/12 at 7:28am
post #29 of 51
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Acceleration and Z-axis are just external issues from my point of view.

Imho acceleration affects the tracking/quality/precision directly whereas the z-axis tracking only indirectly, that is only when you use a soft mousepad and click the buttons hard or you have a subwoofer somewhere around. Of course Razer and their dynamic DPI scaling is a whole different story as I would consider 9500 > Razer 3.5G = Razer 4G in terms of precision and 1:1 tracking.
post #30 of 51
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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

I don't, but others may?
I'm not really exaggerating, but I may define precision in a similar matter to a mouse manufacturer. You see the 9500 can indeed scale up and exceed the hardware limitations of the S3888/3090 IC. It's not really me trying to defend anything.
You're talking exactly like a mouse manufacturer. So basically you're saying a sensor with no acceleration, no jitter and no other tracking bug, but only 2000 DPI is worse than a sensor with 11000 DPI, z-axis bug and acceleration? I don't know who you are but please bring back the old Skylit biggrin.gif. To those using more than 2000 DPI i say use 6/11 and see what happens.
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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

Now you're not exactly wrong as 1800 CPI (or lower) may be fast enough for "you". Maximum precision on a desktop or game engine is only defined by the sensitivity settings.
rolleyes.gif Yea right. As far as i remember i used only 400 DPI on my mice. I played everything from RTS, RPG and FPS and never had one single problem. Now you're talking about precision, you'll be amazed how fast i can kill you in a FPS with 400 DPI. You won't have time to blink with your 45000 DPI mouse wink.gif. What settings are you using on Sensei btw?
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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

As a "mouse", I think differently. I consider precision as tracking quality via higher or highest CPI settings. In which case, I find the 9500 superior.
Acceleration and Z-axis are just external issues from my point of view.
Of course. The 9500 acceleration is still there as well. 8)
That's all fine, except i'm not a mouse. I'm just a human in need of a sensor to translate my hand motions as accurate as possible. You certainly changed your priorities lately. I remember you were the first guy to bash acceleration in mice and any other tracking bug.
Edited by kaingosu - 1/29/12 at 2:43pm
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