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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

but rather explain that this A9500 offers a higher level of tracking quality exceeding the older 20 pin IC's ... whether you actually need that level of speed and precision is a completely different story all together.

I don't understand this. You're saying that using the DeathAdder you can't obtain pixel precise mouse movements? What can be more precise than that?
post #42 of 51
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Originally Posted by Glymbol View Post

In my opinion the greatest advantages of A9500 are: high CPI, (small) hardware 90 CPI step, low LOD, high max speed. These are really great in comparison to older optical sensors but the real question is "how much is enough?". I think sensor like S3888 (DA) or S3095 (G400) is good enough for everyone needs. Driver interpolated CPI settings are fine for normal usage. Max speed is great too, only LOD is definitely better on the laser sensor, although in G400 it isn't uncomfortably high. Of course CPI over 3600 is nonsense. Actually I consider optical sensors a bit better than A9500 in terms of tracking at high CPI.

That certainly is the question. Most people aren't going to need excessively high CPI and those that do likely have improper settings in the first place. I was merely just stating that I feel the A9500 has better tracking quality (ie non jitter) @ 3500 CPI and beyond. The 3090/3888/S3095 become very hardware (mp/s) / surface limited at that point.

But you're right. The greatest benefit of the A9500 (Sensei for example) is its lift off to tracking speed ratio. Custom lens' for optical mice work, but they tend to sacrifice tracking quality (IE jittery movements) as you scale higher and higher throughout it's CPI ranges.

The Logitech led and lens for example was developed durring an era when 800 CPI was peak and didn't really pose an issue to its tracking. Compared to Avago's solution I find logitechs setup a bit worse with current day CPI values.

Zowie's AM's Kingsis lens has a similar effect with it's 2300 CPI setting, you see?

Of course, this isn't going to matter if you purchased the mouse for it's lower CPI settings.
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Originally Posted by kaingosu View Post

I don't understand this. You're saying that using the DeathAdder you can't obtain pixel precise mouse movements? What can be more precise than that?

see above.
post #43 of 51
Steel series sensei is the hands down winner, best sensor evar. Also, it works well with a claw grip so you should have no problem adjusting to it biggrin.gif
post #44 of 51
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Steel series sensei is the hands down winner, best sensor evar. Also, it works well with a claw grip so you should have no problem adjusting to it biggrin.gif

[picture of epic facepalm]
post #45 of 51
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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

see above.
If this is the logic i don't see why you would recommend A9500 over A3090. I have yet to see a fps player using over 2000 DPI (6/11). Sure the Sensei is perfect for RTS-RPG, but is no match for an optical sensor in FPS. Having read all your explanations i still think the 9500 has great potential, but in its current state it's a disaster.
I want to congratulate you though for the suggestions you made to Steelseries regarding Kana's sensor and lens. Thanks to you ppl like myself now have a replacement for the infamous WMO. If they would've used the Kinzu V2 combination i would still be searching for a mouse wink.gif. In the end the TTCs are not that bad and the Pixart sensor is decent, to say the least.
post #46 of 51
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Originally Posted by kaingosu View Post

If this is the logic i don't see why you would recommend A9500 over A3090. I have yet to see a fps player using over 2000 DPI (6/11). Sure the Sensei is perfect for RTS-RPG, but is no match for an optical sensor in FPS. Having read all your explanations i still think the 9500 has great potential, but in its current state it's a disaster.
I want to congratulate you though for the suggestions you made to Steelseries regarding Kana's sensor and lens. Thanks to you ppl like myself now have a replacement for the infamous WMO. If they would've used the Kinzu V2 combination i would still be searching for a mouse wink.gif. In the end the TTCs are not that bad and the Pixart sensor is decent, to say the least.

You misunderstand. I'm not recommending anything. The original question had to deal with cursor precision and what I knew about its hardware capabilities. I'm sure MONVMENTVM understands my views points and I fully understand why you or him dislike this specific IC. It's not that I perceive the A9500 as amazing, but rather acknowledge that it has flaws and have a different way of thinking about the sensor as a whole.

You're right though. The 9500 does indeed have great potential and I'm sad to see that it's being bottlenecked by a rather small acceleration gap that changes with IPS motion. Whether this hinders my personal abilities is another story. I've already explained myself in another thread.

The Kana recommendation was fairly early as I wasn't aware of the other repercussions that followed. I figured a few things out later, but the product was getting ready to launch and I didn't have much say against decisions that were pre planned from the start. I could go on, but I would rather just mention that I don't like the sensor nor it's maximum capabilities before swapping surrounding hardware.
post #47 of 51
So does the 4g laser from razer actually track well on cloth pads I.e goliathus large

Also can the adjustable CPI be disabled like with the original deathadder.

I'm in the market for a new mouse and I'm a low sens user, so I need perfect tracking an no access at low dpi basically.

Was looking at the sensei till I heard about the accel.

Considering the imperator or zowie ec1 or I kigh just buy the da black since I loved the first one
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post #48 of 51
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You're right though. The 9500 does indeed have great potential and I'm sad to see that it's being bottlenecked by a rather small acceleration gap that changes with IPS motion.
Yes well, i'm afraid this acceleration has to do with the way the sensor is working. It might be the result of the features and architecture and it might not be fixable. Because of this i am somewhat skeptical that the A9800 will be any different. But i'm just speculating and the only ones that know what's going on are the ppl from Avago.
post #49 of 51
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Originally Posted by illum View Post

So does the 4g laser from razer actually track well on cloth pads I.e goliathus large
Also can the adjustable CPI be disabled like with the original deathadder.
I'm in the market for a new mouse and I'm a low sens user, so I need perfect tracking an no access at low dpi basically.
Was looking at the sensei till I heard about the accel.
Considering the imperator or zowie ec1 or I kigh just buy the da black since I loved the first one

Yes they would track well on cloth but Razer put this dynamic DPI scaling in them by default, which produces a lot of acceleration. It's much worse than the acceleration with the Sensei, as you'll notice it the minute you use it. It really kills your precision. So either stay away from them or request from Razer to release a firmware without dynamic DPI scaling. Maybe they'll listen if more people know about it.
post #50 of 51
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Originally Posted by MONVMENTVM View Post

Yes they would track well on cloth but Razer put this dynamic DPI scaling in them by default, which produces a lot of acceleration. It's much worse than the acceleration with the Sensei, as you'll notice it the minute you use it. It really kills your precision. So either stay away from them or request from Razer to release a firmware without dynamic DPI scaling. Maybe they'll listen if more people know about it.

in other words the recent 4G-mice are complete garbage and not worth considering for only one second.
And then, when they would release a firmware to get back the original tracking, it still would be complete garbage for lowsens and soft mousemat.
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