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Originally Posted by DustDevil;14372728 
Mine is coming in tomorrow so will post some pictures as well. Maybe Nagle can help me OC the same board as he has and get some other temps with an H50.

This should help you and save nagle some time!
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Originally Posted by slagcoin;14373577 
TJ08-E 3.5" Hard Drives vs RAM and CPU Cooling

I think that Silverstone designed this case with the future of storage in mind. 3.5" hard drives are going to be phased out in favor of 2.5" solid state drives. 2.5" drives fit perfectly in length in the hard drive cage.

/SNIP

With this case, there can be a tradeoff between 3.5" hard drives and RAM cooling or heatsinks and/or CPU cooling. In many cases, both will not fit.

/SNIP

A Mushkin or OCZ Adapter Bracket can assist in fitting 2.5" drives in the case without excess. If you have an SSD and can tolerate secondary HDD's that tend to bit a bit slower with lower capacity, I recommend using 2.5" notebook HDD's. You can still likely fit one 3.5" HDD in the bottom drive bay of the case without it getting in the way.

TJ08-E and Noctua NH-D14

The Noctua NH-D14 is one of the better CPU air coolers available today (slightly less effective than the Thermalright Silver Arrow). The Noctua NH-C14 has similar performance, but is likely not as good because the fan does not flow quite as well with the layout of the case.

The NH-D14 is 160mm tall, and the TJ08-E booklet suggests coolers no taller than 165mm. Once installed, there is about 7-12mm of clearance between the top of the NH-D14 and the side panel of the TJ08-E.

/SNIP

The NH-D14 cannot be installed in the TJ08-E when there are 3.5" hard drives in the hard drive cage; the cable heads do not leave enough room for the tower, even when the fans are not mounted. One 3.5" hard drive can still be installed in the bottom drive bay without interfering (unless a 140mm fan is used for the front fan).

/SNIP

A front NH-D14 fan can get in the way of RAM heatsinks. This is why one of the NH-D14 fans is 120mm, while the other is 140mm. In order to use a 140mm fan on the front of the NH-D14, the RAM cannot have heatsinks, or the heatsinks need a very low profile (like maybe the new Vengeance LP), and a 3.5" hard drive cannot be in the bottom drive bay. The other problem with a front NH-D14 fan is storage cables can interfere; some strong cable management will be necessary to keep cables out of this fan.

I do not think that both a back pull fan and a back case fan can be installed when using the NH-D14 (not much point to doing this anyways).

TJ08-E and Thermalright Silver Arrow

The Thermalright Silver Arrow is among the best CPU air coolers available today.

The Silver Arrow is 163mm tall, and the TJ08-E booklet suggests coolers no taller than 165mm. Once installed, there is about 5-10mm of clearance between the top of the Silver Arrow and the side panel of the TJ08-E. However, when a 140mm fan is between the towers, because a pressure screw protrudes above the CPU, the middle fan protrudes above the tower, leaving only about 1-3mm of clearance between the top of the middle fan and the side panel of the TJ08-E, just barely fitting.

/SNIP

The Silver Arrow cannot be installed in the TJ08-E when there are 3.5" hard drives in the hard drive cage; the cable heads do not leave enough room for the tower, even when the fans are not mounted. One 3.5" hard drive can still be installed in the bottom drive bay without interfering, except when a 140mm fan is placed on the front of the Silver Arrow.

/SNIP

A front Silver Arrow fan can get in the way of RAM heatsinks. The Silver Arrow comes with two 140mm fans. In order to have a front 140mm fan, the RAM cannot have heatsinks, or the heatsinks need a very low profile, and a 3.5" hard drive cannot be in the bottom drive bay; a 120mm fan can be installed instead. The other problem with a front Silver Arrow fan is storage cables can interfere; some strong cable management will be necessary to keep cables out of this fan. Because of these problems, a pull-pull configuration will likely be preferable.

Both a back pull fan and a back case fan can be install, barely fitting (not much point to having both anyways probably).

One other problem is the TJ08-E cooler support lever does not really help because of the gap in the middle of the Silver Arrow. I'm sure it can be enhanced pretty easily to work though (like with some tape and a small strip of plastic). Not sure if the support lever does much anyways.

Thats amazing info man! Thanks so much for helping.

+Rep fooo shooo.
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Originally Posted by nagle3092;14375499 
The socket placement looks exactly the same to me.

Likewise. If that helps anyone! biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Behemoth777;14375950 
I'm having second thoughts about sli now, so I might be selling off a lot of my current parts and moving to m-atx. And this is the case i'm going to get. smile.gif

Doo ittttttttt!
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Originally Posted by nagle3092;14362445 
http://www.overclock.net/14278200-post41.html

The only con I have is the front panel is a pita to remove. You wont ever have to remove it though unless your changing the front fan out.

Vs the Lian Li you are talking about
-You will get better airflow if you have to use all the drive bays.
-You can use large heatsinks (the Lian Li has the psu infront of the CPU socket so your heatsink hight will be limited).
-Dont have to sacrifice HDDs for GPU length.
-Room for a DVD drive and 5.25" fan controller as well as a 3.5" bay.
-After owning a Lian Li, I dont care for all aluminum cases, they resonate more than steel (thats a personal con for me, sound might not matter for you).
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Originally Posted by Jaromir;14362460 
***v354***
+smaller
+all aluminium
-cable management (there is non)
-sidepanel (8mini screws)
-price
Thanks! Will most likely get this case since it's cheaper and has cable management biggrin.gif
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Only better case I can think of is the FT03.
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Originally Posted by somebodysb2;14376495 
Only better case I can think of is the FT03.

I suppose the outward looks are personal preference but if you took that away I reckon there pretty even... The TJ had heaps more drive bays for both 5.25 and 3.5 devices.

Cooling seems to be in favour of the TJ too actually?
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Originally Posted by Nutty Pumpkin;14376507 
I suppose the outward looks are personal preference but if you took that away I reckon there pretty even... The TJ had heaps more drive bays for both 5.25 and 3.5 devices.

Cooling seems to be in favour of the TJ too actually?

FT can fit the D14 no problem, but for drives it goes to the TJ. Cooling should be better with the 90 degree layout and 2x 120mm fans > 1x 180mm fans for intake.
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Originally Posted by somebodysb2;14376561 
FT can fit the D14 no problem, but for drives it goes to the TJ. Cooling should be better with the 90 degree layout and 2x 120mm fans > 1x 180mm fans for intake.

Looks like the TJ08 can too!

Yer your probably right about the cooling... But it'd be close considering the small space the 180mm fan is blowing into. ;D

Ahhh, but then you have to put price into the comparison... Hehe devil-smiley-019.gif
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Originally Posted by somebodysb2;14376495 
Only better case I can think of is the FT03.

Nah, FT03 is a PITA to mount and cooling capacity is not that good at all. Just try to fill it up with a VGA that doesn't exhaust and you will cook your drives at the same time.
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Originally Posted by Nutty Pumpkin;14376624 
Looks like the TJ08 can too!

Yer your probably right about the cooling... But it'd be close considering the small space the 180mm fan is blowing into. ;D

Ahhh, but then you have to put price into the comparison... Hehe devil-smiley-019.gif

I though you have to not have drives in order to fit D14?
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Originally Posted by somebodysb2;14376661 
I though you have to not have drives in order to fit D14?

You can have one I think...

But yer, i was just saying that it could fit it. Plus the TJ is alot smallerrrrr!
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