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Originally Posted by lightsout View Post

Oh really? I didn't read it myself. But I was pretty surprised when someone said in here that the manual said fan down. I knew I wasn't crazy. Maybe they read it wrong.

Here's a quote taken directly from the manual:

"insert the power supply from the top, if the power supply has a build-in 120mm fan or larger, we recommend installing the power supply with its fan facing down"

Now I think virtually every power supply that the OCN members would use has at least a 120mm fan but I simply read the design of the case as allowing either orientation. personally I think I might face the fan up to utilise the vent but if it's getting too dusty or you want it to act as another exhaust (since it is ideally placed to do so at the top of the case) then its entirely possible to put the fan facing down - user preference, which is nice to see in a case design.
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i'm holding off ivy till they get that IHS TIM business sorted out...

What's that about the IHS TIM psyclum, is that the theory around the IB heat problems? I had heard it was about the concentration of heat in a smaller area which meant the coolers weren't being effective but it also makes sense that there could be issues with transferring that heat to the larger surface area of the IHS. Can you give a bit more info on it please, very interested to hear about it.
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What's that about the IHS TIM psyclum, is that the theory around the IB heat problems? I had heard it was about the concentration of heat in a smaller area which meant the coolers weren't being effective but it also makes sense that there could be issues with transferring that heat to the larger surface area of the IHS. Can you give a bit more info on it please, very interested to hear about it.

VERY serious problem IMO. here are relevant links
http://www.overclock.net/t/1248454/tpu-ivy-bridge-temperatures-could-be-linked-to-tim-inside-integrated-heatspreader-report

http://www.overclockers.com/ivy-bridge-temperatures

basically intel got cheap on the 1 place they shouldn't have. that tard move pretty much negated the benefits you gained from a die shrink.... frown.gif they used TIM instead of solder to put the IHS on the chip doh.gif they saved $0.05 on a $200 chip... and now sandybridge runs cooler then ivybridge...
post #1633 of 7172
Thanks psyclum, reading through it now (38 pages worth of Sunday afternoon reading wink.gif)

It seems like a very strange move by Intel if this is what's responsible for the heat problems. By that I mean if you are going to save costs you do it where and when you think people aren't going to notice, not at product launch when everyone and there grandmother are going to be scrutinising it and picking up on each and every issue - the only possible effect of the heat issue is that it puts people on the fence or comletely off buying your new chip!

I suppose the theory about the older solder technique being a risk to the new IB chips could be one explanation meaning they had no choice but to go with TIM, despite the thermal deficiencies. Another one that just occured to me is it's a way to clear out their existing SB stock - they get people who have been planning an IB build who are now on the fence to opt for SB because it is cheaper and cooler thus clearing their back catalogue of stuff (I remember reading they hadn't sold as many SB as they anticipated and had a lot of left over stock). Then in 2 months they release a new stepping/soldered-version and get a load of people to buy into the "improved" IB. Of course that's just a sceptical look at it.
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Another one that just occured to me is it's a way to clear out their existing SB stock - they get people who have been planning an IB build who are now on the fence to opt for SB because it is cheaper and cooler thus clearing their back catalogue of stuff (I remember reading they hadn't sold as many SB as they anticipated and had a lot of left over stock). Then in 2 months they release a new stepping/soldered-version and get a load of people to buy into the "improved" IB. Of course that's just a sceptical look at it.

I think you are pretty close to the truth there biggrin.gif tho i doubt it's an overstock of sandybridge issue, I do think the "improved" IB theory holds weight. they KNOW people will buy ivybridge since AMD has announced they are getting out of the CPU business. there is no way AMD can compete from this point forth since intel is already on 22nm technology and bulldozer is only at 32nm tech. even if piledriver comes in at 28nm tech that's still 1 gen behind the 22 nm of ivybridge. so even if they totally screw the 1st gen ivybridge owners over just so they can show a bigger improvement on the 2nd gen ivybridge, they wont lose any sales over. it's the power of monopoly... even if they just release an "improved" ivybridge on the same chip (kinda like the difference between 2600k and 2700k) they can generate more sales down the road by screwing 1st gen ivybridge owners. besides, when they come out with "ivybridge extreme edition / black edition" they can show that much more improvement by suddenly giving the solder back to the people instead of using the gimped TIM.

so yah people are having a hard time pushing ivybridge pass 4.6ghz because of the thermal limitations of the TIM right now, 2 or 3 months down the road, there will be another sku of "improved ivybridge" that can clock to 5.0... and all they have to do is replace the TIM with solder.... then they can cherry pick the improved ivybridge and sell them as extreme edition by unlocking a few more things on the same chip biggrin.gif the current gen owners can't really say screw intel because amd no longer have anything even close to being competitive in the enthusiast class chips because they don't have their own fab facility. it's an unfortunate fact of business. they've been selling stuff that was "locked" in 1 way or another and the TIM vs solder issue is simply another "lock" they can unlock later by increasing the price tag by another $15...
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Oh really? I didn't read it myself. But I was pretty surprised when someone said in here that the manual said fan down. I knew I wasn't crazy. Maybe they read it wrong.

Here's what the manual says: -

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And here's the manual: -

http://www.silverstonetek.com/downloads/Manual/case/Multi-TJ08-E-Manual.pdf

The bit about the PSU is at the start of section 4 on page 7.
post #1636 of 7172
Yeah makes sense, it's like built in product grading with a simple "on/off switch" to flick their CPU up a notch and create an instant new product segment - the Extreme version as you suggest.

All the while my bum is feeling extremely sore (from all the metaphorical shafting I am receiving) from the current CPU and GPU generations :S

I think a i5 2500K at £145 is looking the most attractive option at the moment, though I could have built it last year lol
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Ok schooled again on the manual. I don't care what it says I am using the vent. To change it I would have to redo all my cabling and I am not interested in that a bit. biggrin.gif
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Ok schooled again on the manual. I don't care what it says I am using the vent. To change it I would have to redo all my cabling and I am not interested in that a bit. biggrin.gif

Yeah. I use the top vent for the psu intake also. Its just more logical and I.bet it was their writers for the manual that misinterpreted the engineer's directions LOL
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Ok schooled again on the manual. I don't care what it says I am using the vent. To change it I would have to redo all my cabling and I am not interested in that a bit. biggrin.gif

Yeah. I use the top vent for the psu intake also. Its just more logical and I.bet it was their writers for the manual that misinterpreted the engineer's directions LOL

I agree.
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Just ordered a i5 3570K and an asrock pro-m motherboard from microcenter. $250 for both before shipping and tax. Now all I need is the SSD and graphics card and I can start building.
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