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Here are some non so great pictures from my phone. Easiest build I've ever done to be honest. Few niggly things like the dust filter on the top being plastic and the side screws on the top panel are a bit annoying to screw back in because the panel doesn't just sit in perfectly you have to press and hold it a little bit.


Got an SSD in the top, not actually fixed in I didn't , 3 hard drives in the hard drive cage and a H50 cooling the CPU, with push pull fans. Gap between the hard drives in the cage and the CPU sock is tiny, so as said if you have a large heatsink beware!




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baddad62 has an elegant (if abit extreme) solution by moving the entire cooling engine (radiator/fan assembly) outside the case as seen here
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however, his mod actually requires the minimal amount of cutting and modding. he simply made his case "bigger" by extending his thermal solution beyond the physical confines of the case. essentially he's exploiting the primary feature of liquid cooling to it's fullest extent. he recognize the fact that liquid allows him to transport the heat elsewhere, and, he's transporting the heat to a location that can do no possible harm to his system (outside the case) and as far away from the cool air intake of the case as possible to avoid cool air contamination by hot exhaust.
for a 240rad that's about the best solution you can have. the other solution involve removing the HDD cage and actually mounting the rad side ways on the side panel.... would be a pain in the arse every time he has to open the side panel. for 2 x 120 rads, the best solution would be the bigger rad on the rear exhaust port and cutting the hole on the roof of the 5.25 bay for the smaller rad. no hot air remains inside the case and all other components stay cool while retaining the 180mm fan as intake for crucial cooling of your RAID.

Many thanks for the compliment "psyclum" thumb.gif

Ha Ha ha you think that a bit extreme, the external idea actually started with a 420mm rad then down to a 360mm rad then the 240mm rad biggrin.gif.

The only mods made to the case at the moment are the removal of the rear 120mm fan grill and 2 holes for the tube to pass through the back pannel, fairly simple with my trusty rotary tool and step drill thumb.gif
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I'm thinking ghetto style. Like suspended from the 5.25 bays with zip ties. I already have the 180 as exhaust so it would blow straight into the fan and out.

i don't recommend making the 180mm an exhaust. that would put your system into negative pressure mode and invite tons of dust everywhere to migrate into your system and complicate an already difficult thermal solution.

what you have to keep in mind is WHERE the heat goes after you transport it around in the water loop. heat does not magically disappear, it has to go somewhere. ideally you want the heat to be dissipated via the radiator to an external environment (hence the suggestion of cutting a hole on the roof of the 5.25 bays) if the heat remains inside the case, then you are simply moving the heat around and not alot of "cooling" is actually done. the heat will effectively be raising the ambient temp inside the case and cause problems with other heat producing components such as PSU, RAM, northbridge, HDD, etc..

baddad62 has an elegant (if abit extreme) solution by moving the entire cooling engine (radiator/fan assembly) outside the case as seen here
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however, his mod actually requires the minimal amount of cutting and modding. he simply made his case "bigger" by extending his thermal solution beyond the physical confines of the case. essentially he's exploiting the primary feature of liquid cooling to it's fullest extent. he recognize the fact that liquid allows him to transport the heat elsewhere, and, he's transporting the heat to a location that can do no possible harm to his system (outside the case) and as far away from the cool air intake of the case as possible to avoid cool air contamination by hot exhaust.

for a 240rad that's about the best solution you can have. the other solution involve removing the HDD cage and actually mounting the rad side ways on the side panel.... would be a pain in the arse every time he has to open the side panel. for 2 x 120 rads, the best solution would be the bigger rad on the rear exhaust port and cutting the hole on the roof of the 5.25 bay for the smaller rad. no hot air remains inside the case and all other components stay cool while retaining the 180mm fan as intake for crucial cooling of your RAID.

I have the 180 as exhaust right now. The 120 in the rear of the case is intake and there is a fan filter there. So dust is not a problem. Its always best to have a rad intaking outside cool air compared to the warm air inside the case.

I understand this heats up the inside of the case but with the big front fan exhausting its fine. Mobo temp stayed the same GPU temp went up like 4c. I hate external rads thats definitely not something I am interested in.

I still may flip the fans back though and just leave the gpu on air. The small temp increase on my gpu brought it over 70c which is what has made me want to put it back on the kuhler 620.
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What is the best PSU to get for this case, The XFX is 2mm thicker so i cant have the fan facing down.
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what you have to keep in mind is WHERE the heat goes after you transport it around in the water loop. heat does not magically disappear, it has to go somewhere. ideally you want the heat to be dissipated via the radiator to an external environment (hence the suggestion of cutting a hole on the roof of the 5.25 bays) if the heat remains inside the case, then you are simply moving the heat around and not alot of "cooling" is actually done. the heat will effectively be raising the ambient temp inside the case and cause problems with other heat producing components such as PSU, RAM, northbridge,

This guy has a 1400mm rad in his optical bay biggrin.gif

http://forums.overclockers.com.au/showthread.php?t=1015626

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Thats sick it looks like it fits right in there.
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post #1697 of 7165
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Thats sick it looks like it fits right in there.

that actually requires more modding then baddad62's rig. however it does keep the system small with the rad remaining internal to the system. if you look at the orientation of the fan, he has that as an exhaust point and he'd have to cut the hole in the roof of the 5.25 bay and put some kind of grill on top to minimize and accidental damage by stuff falling into the opening. however, it's an excellent picture of what i mentioned earlier regarding where/how to mount the kuhler 620 (tho i was thinking about mounting it directly onto the roof with bolts)

one thing you should keep in mind regarding using kuhler for the GPU is that you NEED to keep the VRM and RAM on the GPU cool as well. the kuhler is not like a custom coolplate and does not take into consideration of the VRM / RAM on the GPU.
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What is the best PSU to get for this case, The XFX is 2mm thicker so i cant have the fan facing down.

hum... there is a length restriction for the TJ08-E, but not thickness.... if the XFX is too thick, then it falls outside of the ATX specifications. was this a replacement PSU for a dell system or one of those strange antec cases that accept none standard PSU's?

anyway, as far as "best" PSU, I generally recommend a corsair AX series PSU. there are other "top of the line" PSU's like the seasonic X series, but they are usually harder to find. if you are trying to build a silent system, there is always the kingwin stryker, tho it's abit longer then recommended and you may have to do some modding.
post #1699 of 7165
Hey guys. I've got a question. I won't be building my build until around mid July, but I'm abandoning my Cosmos S case for a smaller form-factor case. This case has been one of my top choices so far.

I intend to use my G.Skill Sniper RAM again, but after looking at pictures from multiple reviews, I'm not sure if the RAM's heatsink will clear my two WD Black HDD's.

The motherboard that I intend to use is the ASRock Z77 Extreme4-M. Do you guys think the RAM will clear or should I buy low-profile memory?
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Ha Ha ha you think that a bit extreme, the external idea actually started with a 420mm rad then down to a 360mm rad then the 240mm rad biggrin.gif.

well it's extreme in a sense that you are treating the thermal solution as a subsystem... much like how we build servers. for a server cluster, having HDD in the server is not practical, so we migrate the HDD's outside the server and make a SAN so all of the servers have access to it. in the consumer market, the idea is translated into small NAS boxes. you are essentially taking the same "subsystem" approach and translating it in terms of liquid cooling. essentially, you now have a "thermal mitigation subsystem" and that rad does not even have to be in the same room as the computer (ALOT of plumbing work for that tho biggrin.gif ) all you have to do is mount a pair of quick disconnects where the hose comes out of the case at the bottom and you'll be set for some "exotic" liquid system like routing 100 feet of copper pipe on the shady side outside of the house biggrin.gif who needs fans when you have 100 feet of copper pipes biggrin.gif (tho you might need stronger pumps for all that liquid mass biggrin.gif )
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