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Originally Posted by Leviathan25 View Post

Hm... that is interesting. On Thermalright's website, the Rev. A version only has a single fan. There's a normal color and a black and white fan color.

Then, there is a Macho Black. This one has two fans, and matches the dual fan manual as well.

i cannot find a version with both fans for sale anywhere. The only ones for sale are just a single fan. There also are no reviews out there anywhere on the dual-fan version. I wonder if this thing just came out.

If I can find one of them for sale somewhere, I think I'll be on board with it. They are more aesthetically pleasing to me than the other dual fan heatsinks I've seen.

Hi

I have also noticed that the Black version shows two fans, but, in the specs it still states supplied with one fan....
So, I have asked them if it can be ordered with two fans.....


Cheers
Edited by daMystery1 - 11/21/13 at 3:17am
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Originally Posted by Abula View Post

@iamdjango

Love the build with the MK-26, this was the cooler that i really wanted to try out when i was on my TJ08-E, but ultimately i decided no out of one thing, and this is the questions i have to you. The MK-26 has a backplate that sicks out a good amount, my HR02 was barely clearing toward the first PCIe slot, so i assume it would have touched and the weight of the MK-26 would transfer to the CPU socket. But what i want to ask you is, does the mk26 4 screws in the back touch the Phantek PH-TC14PE? if so did you make a hole/mod to fit it?

Either way, thanks for sharing and +rep for the most impressive air cooling TJ08-8/PS07 build i seen here, the only thing i would have done different would be to get the MK-26 in black and Phantek in black also.

I didn't have to make any modifications but there is slight bending of the PCB and also partial weight transfer to the CPU socket. Nothing I'm too concerned about though given the rigidity and strength of the Phantek PH-TC14PE backplate and transfer bracket. To answer your question the MK-26 front left hand side screw does make contact with the Phantek PH-TC14PE. I could have made a hole/mod but thought that the GPU would just sag further and components on the PCB would come into direct contact with the potential for electrical shorts to occur.

Thanks, this was my aim :-) IMO open/closed loop water cooling is overrated and not really a possibility for a completely silent system. My project goes to show you can still do high performance air in a tiny case and at the very least match the performance of water cooling! In hindsight, maybe I should have gone with black but I bought the MK-26 while still thinking I was going to use the Silver Arrow SB-E SE :-(

@Leviathan25: I used this information to figure out what motherboards supports both PWM (4-pin) and Voltage (3-pin) regulated fans. Unfortunately speedfan still doesn't support the Super I/O chip in the Asus Z87 motherboards (Nuvoton NCT6791D), so I'm stuck with Fan Xpert2. IMO this is vastly inferior to speedfan. It lacks support for selecting different thermal sensors other than the CPU temp and its minimum fan speeds are based on the minimum start-up speed and not the minimum speed to avoid a stale which you can set by hand in speedfan :/
Edited by iamdjango - 11/21/13 at 3:54am
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post #5283 of 7172
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Originally Posted by fakeblood View Post

I used a 180mm long PSU, had to increase the size of the cable cut out though
What size PSU are you using exactly? Plenty of high powered 160mm units on the market........and for a case this small 160mm is truly optimal.
Edited by ZippyPinhead - 11/21/13 at 5:20am
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Originally Posted by Leviathan25 View Post

RE: Fans.

I found this amazing post on SilentPC http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=66283

Which goes into great detail on the asus motherboards and the 4-pin "chasis" connectors. Long story short, the 3-pin connector for the 180mm fan that's included in the TJ08-E case will work fine with the "Fan Expert 2" software that is included with the motherboard.

Basically you do this:
1. Plug front fan into a chasis fan connector and set the fan switch to high.
2. In the BIOS settings, set the chasis fan to "standard" and with just enough power to get the fan started turning (I think this is 5v, but not sure). (Basically this will make sure there isn't an awkward boot sequence where your fans scream as the pc boots up.)
3. Do the rest of your setup in Fan Expert 2 software.

That's it. No need to flip the switch or mess with more bios settings afterwards.

I will experiment more once I get my board in, but it seems pretty easy.


If you want to add another chassis fan (ie a 120mm to the back of the case), a 3-pin connector would be best with the asus mb, again using the method above.


I'm still trying to figure out what cooling setup I want to put in my case, but based off of the Tom's hardware article (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-heat-sink-haswell,3554-25.html), I'm leaning towards:

cpu: Noctua NH-U14S - http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=productview&products_id=64&lng=en

What research I've done on cpu cooling says the U14s cooler will work perfectly fine for moderate OC - basically the huge dual fan monsters are only for extreme OC, and thus most of the time are just simply overkill.


(back chasis fan)

If I get a back chasis fan, it would be this: Noctua NF-S12A FLX http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=productview&products_id=55&lng=en

One thing I can't really find any information on is whether a back chasis fan will actually hurt cooling rather than help (in this case). My thought is that the graphics card and the size of a 140mm fan will actually form a sort of "wind tunnel" within the case leading to that back exhaust, and if you stick a 120mm fan in there, it will literally block the flow of air being pushed by the front fan and the cpu fan. But then again, it might help increase airflow if it's pulling air faster than the cpu fan, in which case it would allow all the fans to turn at a lower rpm.

Alternatively, a very valid orientation that was pointed out to me is to put the U14S fan in the pull position, so that it ends up doubling as an exhaust fan. There are many people who feel "pulling" is just as good as "pushing", and this would actually free up a lot of room in the 3.5" bays to put "things".

Actually, because the rear exhaust is only 120mm, i wonder if going down to the Noctua NH-U12S http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=productview&products_id=63&lng=en might even result in greater overall case airflow, as it would allow "trapped" air in the case to flow around heatsink and escape the back better.

So confused. Finding information on fan orientations and pairings is very sparse, and pretty much everyone universally just keeps saying "bigger is better". If there was a heatsink that punched through the case side and excaped out into the living room I think people would recommend that one instead...

Silverstone actually had a very good FAQ about cooling and airflow on their website here:
http://www.silverstonetek.com/techtalk_cont.php?area=en&tid=wh_airflow

If anyone has any informed/educated thoughts on this particular setup, I would love to hear them.

Edit: I found a great article (http://www.overclock.net/t/1199135/hyper-212-testing-push-vs-pull-vs-push-pull-also-horizontal-vs-vertical-positioning) that seems to suggest a U14s in a pull position pointed directly at the exhaust would actually probably generate just about the strongest cooling position for this case (sans dual setups of course). This is interesting to me and I wonder how much clearance it will leave for the 3.5" bays.

Edit2: I talked to someone who installed a CM Hyper 212 Evo in a pull position on their case, and they said that it left enough room to install drives in the 3.5" bay. The width on that hs is 51mm. The width on the noctua u14s is 52mm, so basically it will be a tight fit, but fine. It will look very similar to the reference pictures shown in the silverstone example pics.

Seems like my problem is solved on every front. smile.gif
For the price of some of these heatsinks you're looking at, regardless if your OCing or not..........why not just water cool?
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After much thought, I think I'm going with a macho rev.a, with a rear chasis fan mounted behind it.

On to my next question, and slightly more complicated.

PSU is mounted with the fan facing up - apparently someone here got an e-mail from Silverstone saying the manual was a typo. So the idea is for the psu to draw air through the top of the pc through the vent and push it out the back.

I saw several posts that suggested you can use the psu to vent air from the GPU out the back-top of the case through the PSU unit.

It's looking very likely that I'll be getting a 3rd-party GTX that has open-air fans blowing down on the GPU. So instead of pushing air out the back of the case, it's just going to agitate air in and around the card. There's no case up top in the pc to blow that air out other than flipping the PSU upside down.

However I have a second card in the exansion slot just below the GPU, which would probably block air flow..

So I was thinking it might actually be worth it to purchase the non-ACX GTX which has a more closed airflow that gets pushed out the back of the case.

Thoughts? Or doesn't matter.
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Originally Posted by ZippyPinhead View Post

For the price of some of these heatsinks you're looking at, regardless if your OCing or not..........why not just water cool?

It might sound lame, but I like the look and feel of air cooling better. Plus this is just kind of a "puzzle" for me to figure out. The rest of the case still works off of air cooling, and the front fan in the case is a giant fan. I just kind of feel like it follows a "theme" of the case that it is an "air cooling case". No other reason really... just a feeling I had.
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Originally Posted by Leviathan25 View Post

It might sound lame, but I like the look and feel of air cooling better. Plus this is just kind of a "puzzle" for me to figure out. The rest of the case still works off of air cooling, and the front fan in the case is a giant fan. I just kind of feel like it follows a "theme" of the case that it is an "air cooling case". No other reason really... just a feeling I had.
The problem is the size of the case though. When your case is fully occupied by all these components, the ambient temperature inside is going to get pretty high relatively quickly. Within a short amount of time those air cooled heat sinks will just be pulling warm/hot air over them.

But with this case you can put a nice sized 180mm radiator in the front pulling in cool air over it away from all the heat. With an air cooled setup your just not going to have that same luxury.
post #5288 of 7172
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Originally Posted by Leviathan25 View Post

After much thought, I think I'm going with a macho rev.a, with a rear chasis fan mounted behind it.

On to my next question, and slightly more complicated.

PSU is mounted with the fan facing up - apparently someone here got an e-mail from Silverstone saying the manual was a typo. So the idea is for the psu to draw air through the top of the pc through the vent and push it out the back.

I saw several posts that suggested you can use the psu to vent air from the GPU out the back-top of the case through the PSU unit.

It's looking very likely that I'll be getting a 3rd-party GTX that has open-air fans blowing down on the GPU. So instead of pushing air out the back of the case, it's just going to agitate air in and around the card. There's no case up top in the pc to blow that air out other than flipping the PSU upside down.

However I have a second card in the exansion slot just below the GPU, which would probably block air flow..

So I was thinking it might actually be worth it to purchase the non-ACX GTX which has a more closed airflow that gets pushed out the back of the case.

Thoughts? Or doesn't matter.
IMO, its best to have the PSU's air drawn in from the top through the filter. The chamber is separated anyway. Basically you are left to work with a 180mm sized intake fan up front(which is why a water cooled setup makes the most sense), and a 120mm exhaust fan out back. Not optimal for air cooling IMO.
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Well, first off I actually picked this case because it got equal or even better cooling results in tests, with air. Is it even true that this case has worst air cooling than a conventional case? Because empirical evidence has shown the opposite is true. I mean, I haven't done the tests. i don't know, but there's quite a few links to tj08e reviews practically raving about its cooling capabilities.

Secondly, iamdjango JUST built a setup that almost completely mirrors what I'm trying to do about a page back.

I browsed through his photos and noticed that he has the PSU pointed up.

On that subject, the reason I question pointing it downwards is that it makes a lot of sense to me that it might actually hep cool the case tremendously, for very little drawback. There is a part of me that wonders if the manual is actually correct in saying to point them down, and that the response the earlier member in this thread got back from Silverstone was just some poor uninformed help desk employee who misunderstood the question and the information from the tech guys. I know I'm just speculating, but stranger things have happened.

I suppose in the end the only logical thing you could do is just try both setups and see what happens. Unfortunately the psu is a lot of work to flip around, which is probably why not a lot of people have experimented with it.
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Originally Posted by ZippyPinhead View Post

What size PSU are you using exactly? Plenty of high powered 160mm units on the market........and for a case this small 160mm is truly optimal.

In my original tiny temjin I used a Silverstone strider 850w gold evolution. I'll be using a 750w strider gold as it's only 160mm in MKII
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