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Hi! Didn't have time to read through the whole thread. But I'm wondering how the possibilities are for mounting 2 120mm fans in the front? Even if I have to mod it? Is there enough clearance in height to do it? I will not be using any 5,25" drives. I am stuck on the decision between this case and the ps07(which comes with 2 120mm front fans pre-installed), however I am not sure I like the front door on that case. I want my front fans to take in a lot of air and it doesn't seem like they could do that in the ps07. Does anyone have any thoughts on that? I will also be modding the top panel to hold either a 120mm or 140mm intake fan where you would normally have a 5,25" drive. I believe the dust filter for the PSU is 140mm(is that right?) so I will probably be doing a 140mm fan on the top. This is to help the GPU breathe better.

Thanks for any answers and thoughts on this case decision!

Im not sure you would want to do that. You do know that a larger quality 180mm fan will push more air than a pair of 120's right? Just like a 180mm rad. has more surface area than a 240x120mm rad.(assuming everything else is equal). I know the case isn't loaded with a gazillion fans but its surprisingly effective how well it cools for such a compact unit.
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($222.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87MX-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.00 @ Adorama)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($319.99 @ B&H)
Case: Silverstone TJ08B-E MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (64-bit) ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Other: Sunbeam 20W Rheosmart PCI Slot Smart Fan Controller ($10.99)
Total: $1301.90

This is what I be ordering.
Dont know if is good to save the money on the GPU and get the R9 280x over the GTX 780
also would those ram or g skill?
right now im considering one of those Korean 1440p monitors

Also would I need the old type of keyboard not the USB one for the setup if I remember right to get in BIOS USB keyboards dont work, but that was a long time ago dont know if now is different.
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Originally Posted by theKab View Post

Hi! Didn't have time to read through the whole thread. But I'm wondering how the possibilities are for mounting 2 120mm fans in the front? Even if I have to mod it? Is there enough clearance in height to do it? I will not be using any 5,25" drives. I am stuck on the decision between this case and the ps07(which comes with 2 120mm front fans pre-installed), however I am not sure I like the front door on that case. I want my front fans to take in a lot of air and it doesn't seem like they could do that in the ps07. Does anyone have any thoughts on that? I will also be modding the top panel to hold either a 120mm or 140mm intake fan where you would normally have a 5,25" drive. I believe the dust filter for the PSU is 140mm(is that right?) so I will probably be doing a 140mm fan on the top. This is to help the GPU breathe better.

Thanks for any answers and thoughts on this case decision!

I don't think this is a good idea, and I don't understand why you would want to do that. The front fan that's included in the case works as well as 2 120mm fans, if not better. Replacing the fan with two other types of fans would not accomplish anything.

There are two other cases that fit the description you are talking about without needing to be modded. The Fractal Arc Mini, and the Lian-Li PC-A04. If you are trying to SLI/Xfire and are worried about GPU cooling, get the Silverstone PS08 instead - it's basically the same case as the TJ08 except with the motherboard flipped around properly.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that no matter what your concern, there's a case out there that's perfectly suited to whatever it is that you're worried about.

Unless you just really love modding and want to do it for the sake of it. In which case I think you CAN fit 2 120mm fans in the front if that's what you want. You may need to drill some holes in the case, but I don't think they would be visible from the outside.
Edited by Leviathan25 - 12/14/13 at 10:09pm
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Originally Posted by cloudbuster View Post

Dont know if is good to save the money on the GPU and get the R9 280x over the GTX 780

I've not done a ton of researh on the 280x cards. I know the 290 versions run quite loud and hot. I'd look up some reviews. I'm planning to go with nvidia whenever I purchase my GPU because they aren't as loud or hot, and they support gsync. I'm waiting until next year to see if any new gsync monitors come out.
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also would those ram or g skill?

Since you are OCing, you may want to look into some faster ram. I was able to find some 1866 RAM for the same price as 1600. Some people are going even higher. If you don't care about fast ram though, just get whatever is cheapest. It's all the same.
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right now im considering one of those Korean 1440p monitors

I'm waiting until next year to see if the monitor companies release any 1440p gsync monitors. But I've done a lot of research on monitors. Look up "Blurbusters 120hz" on google. There's some good threads there. Also google "neogaf I need a new PC 2013 part 2". There's a good 120hz monitor thread in the links section. From what I've read, you want to get a Qnix semi-gloss (matte) finish with a single dvi-D input.
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Also would I need the old type of keyboard not the USB one for the setup if I remember right to get in BIOS USB keyboards dont work, but that was a long time ago dont know if now is different.

The newer motherboards don't care about that I don't think. I've used USB keyboards with newer MBs quite a bit. Never had a problem so far.
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I got my SSD in the mail today, so I sat down and installed the SSD and hard drive in the case. I hope there's not a problem with the HDD sitting right over the SSD like that, but it frees up the airflow for the rest of the PC.

SSD:


HDD over top:


Pretty simple assembly. Only took about 20 mins.
Edited by Leviathan25 - 12/14/13 at 4:41pm
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($222.00 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87MX-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Crucial M500 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.00 @ Adorama)
Video Card: MSI Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($319.99 @ B&H)
Case: Silverstone TJ08B-E MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill Capstone 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - OEM (64-bit) ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Other: Sunbeam 20W Rheosmart PCI Slot Smart Fan Controller ($10.99)
Total: $1301.90

This is what I be ordering.
Dont know if is good to save the money on the GPU and get the R9 280x over the GTX 780
also would those ram or g skill?
right now im considering one of those Korean 1440p monitors

Also would I need the old type of keyboard not the USB one for the setup if I remember right to get in BIOS USB keyboards dont work, but that was a long time ago dont know if now is different.

Hi

Re. M/B Bios access... Most if not all current M/B's can access the Bios via a USB keyboard. In fact it is just the opposite, many new M/B's are no longer featuring a PS2 port on the rear panel. eg. Maximus Gene and others. The P8Z77-M Pro that I am using has a PS2 Port BUT the Bios could not be accessed with 'delete' until ASUS supported such much later with an updated Bios.

Re. The Hyper 212 Evo Although still available, it has been super ceded by the HyperX which has several improved features including a new fan that has increased the MTBF from 40,000 to 160000 hours

Description from Coolermaster website:
Hyper 212X
The CoolerMaster Hyper 212X introduces several new features to the incredibly popular 212 series. It uses the same Patented Quad CDC Heatpipe array but features a completely new cooling fan and an improved fin-blade layout. Thanks to the new Smart Engine and 4th Generation Bearing, the MTBF has been pushed up to an incredible 160,000 hours while reducing bearing noise. The redesigned Fan-Blades and Aluminum Fin-Blades have both been optimized to create micro vortices that boost the airflow and circulate it around the heatpipes.

Cheers
Edited by daMystery1 - 12/15/13 at 1:55am
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Originally Posted by sinkfish View Post

Nice aerial, we have the same method/style on side panel. You have clean rig & workstation! biggrin.gif
Also I'm using round craft magnets to add extra hold each sides...


First off, that's an absolutely beautiful build. How exactly did you do this? What are the measurements, how'd you get that tint and what materials where used? Ordered my tj08-e today and I definitely want to have that side pannel. If you could help I would really appreciate it! I will post pics when I attempt it to help others
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Thank guys.

Good thing that I asked cause the last PC I had build was around 2005 and it needed a regular keyboard, thanks for the info.
I guess I will spend the extra cash and get GTX 780 any particular brand to go for or to stay away from.

What model from the ripjaws or sniper are tested to fit, after some research it seem that those I listed are not so great I listed them because of the low profile part.
If you could provide direct link even better.

I would also wait for a gsync, but at the moment I don't have a monitor. So it looks like I be ordering the Qnix, I will google those term once I get home. Thanks for the tip: semi-gloss (matte) finish with a single dvi-D input. Since there are so many of them out there.

Thanks on the cooler I dint know there was a new version, will be adding to my list.
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Im not sure you would want to do that. You do know that a larger quality 180mm fan will push more air than a pair of 120's right? Just like a 180mm rad. has more surface area than a 240x120mm rad.(assuming everything else is equal). I know the case isn't loaded with a gazillion fans but its surprisingly effective how well it cools for such a compact unit.

Actually as far as I've understood a larger fan will not push more air than two smaller ones. I've been reading a lot in Dave's air cooling guide and it is clearly stated that it is a misconception that a 200mm(180mm is almost 200mm) will not push more air than 2 x 120mm/140mm. That is why I want to have 2 120mm fans instead of the one 180mm fan. And I want to mod the top panel as well to have a 140mm there to have the GPU breathe better like I said.

The reason I want this case instead of the PS07 is because of the door on the front of the PS07 that seems like it will restrict the fans quite a lot. The TJ08-E has the front mesh with dust filter which is also going to be restrictive but not as much as the door I think.

About the other cases, the arc mini is too big and the lian-li is more expensive and doesn't fit my budget. I also want to do this a bit for the sake of modding and getting some practice with the tools I will(most likely) get for the holidays. The other point of doing it is like I said I really believe the 180mm will be weaker than 2 120mm fans. As well as that I want the blue LEDs on the fans I plan to install to be visible through the mesh instead of being hidden behind a door like on the PS07.

If, like Leviathan25 says, I can fit 2 120mm in the front of the TJ08-E I will probably get it.
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Originally Posted by theKab View Post

Actually as far as I've understood a larger fan will not push more air than two smaller ones. I've been reading a lot in Dave's air cooling guide and it is clearly stated that it is a misconception that a 200mm(180mm is almost 200mm) will not push more air than 2 x 120mm/140mm. That is why I want to have 2 120mm fans instead of the one 180mm fan. And I want to mod the top panel as well to have a 140mm there to have the GPU breathe better like I said.

The reason I want this case instead of the PS07 is because of the door on the front of the PS07 that seems like it will restrict the fans quite a lot. The TJ08-E has the front mesh with dust filter which is also going to be restrictive but not as much as the door I think.

About the other cases, the arc mini is too big and the lian-li is more expensive and doesn't fit my budget. I also want to do this a bit for the sake of modding and getting some practice with the tools I will(most likely) get for the holidays. The other point of doing it is like I said I really believe the 180mm will be weaker than 2 120mm fans. As well as that I want the blue LEDs on the fans I plan to install to be visible through the mesh instead of being hidden behind a door like on the PS07.

If, like Leviathan25 says, I can fit 2 120mm in the front of the TJ08-E I will probably get it.

It all depends on how strong the fans are. Like Silverstone's AP181 which has over 130cfm, or the AP182 180mm fan which can push out over 170cfm, and does it with a very high static pressure rating. Good luck finding a pair of 120mm fans that combined can push that. And even if you can get it close either way........whats the point? Waste of money and time. The air inlet/filter mesh is designed for a 180mm opening. So why not stick with it?

The Temjin TJ08 case is actually a very cool running case with literally just 2 fans. To get top performance cooling does not mean you necessarily need to add a gazillion fans.........that in itself is a BIG MISCONCEPTION.

If you think you need to have a case with a ton of fans to get good cooling, then your lookin at the wrong case. You would be better off with a Fractal case or something similar.


THat Dave's guide? Its generalities based on one person's option.........a lot of which is bogus or outdated. thumb.gif

Example:
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Some unbelievable things that enthusiasts believe ... #2

200mm/230mm fans are superior to 2x120/4x120 fans. Oh god.

ALL 200mm fans have so weak pressure that by the time they overcome a filter their airflow is garbage
Case in point, i have a filtered frontpanel

I use 2x72CFM 3.40mmH2O fans up front and output collapses to easily 1/2 the rated airflow at full RPM, how much CFM do you think a crummy 0.6mmH2O 200mm fan is going to put out?

And also for them to put out decent pressure they need to be >1000rpm and they get seriously loud at those speeds. They can even rival my 3200rpm Delta in terms of noise at those speeds!

I also do not advocate anything less than a SP120 for front fans. They need to be that much or go home. Seriously. If you install a AF120 in front i am given my right to laugh at you behind this 23" monitor of mine ...

And also alot of you who are running 200mm fans are on placebo. Seriously. You don't get better temps you just get larger spread much less airflow or less static pressure

Well first off, he assumes all 200mm fans have weak cfm and static pressure. Really? Did YOU do some research on that. On this case we ar talking about a 180mm fan. I don't even think he mentioned them. BUt his generalizations are spotty at best.

Look at the STOCK fan that the TJ08 comes with. Its AIR PENETRATOR series AP181. 130cfm/2.45mmH2O ............or the AP182 170cfm/6.1mmH2O can be swapped in......good luck finding a pair of 120's that will match that in terms of performance. wink.gif

Again do the real research YOURSELF, don't expect everything you read to be spot on or true. That Dave's guide is amateurish at best. thumb.gif
Edited by ZippyPinhead - 12/15/13 at 1:25pm
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