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Originally Posted by Leviathan25 View Post

Seconded. I did a LOT of research on cases before I bought this one, and it got basically the absolute best cooling performance with the default configuration compared to many other types of cases. Adding even more airflow to this case with either be redundant, or it will mess up whatever fine balance exists and actually make it worse.

If you are making a "lan" pc. I have to ask the obvious question - are you planning to SLI/Crossfire? because if not, there are several miniITX cases that might be even better for what you're trying to do.

I chose mATX not necessarily for portability, although that's nice. Mostly I just chose it because I don't need any more PC than what an mATX can give me. I wanted a slot for a graphics card and a sound card, and that's it. If on-board sound ever catches up to what you can purchase with a card, my next build will probably be mini-ITX.

Onboard sound already has caught up with dedicated SC's IMO, and in some respects have passed em. thumb.gif

I do agree though with what KAB plans on doing. See I wanted the smallest form factor I could get while still running 2 gpu cards for max. gaming performance. That meant m-atx for me.

If your just doing one card though, I also agree with going mini itx for LAN parties and travel. And trust me, you can make a damn powerful mini itx gaming rig that will fit with room to spare in your backpack. thumb.gif
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Onboard sound already has caught up with dedicated SC's IMO, and in some respects have passed em. thumb.gif

It depends on what board you get. Some of the newer boards that just came out this month have started to have headphone amps included in the board. At the time I purchased my board, the best one available was either the Gigabyte gamer board or the asus republic of gamers board. The audio is definately SC-quality on those boards, but you get anything less, and it isn't.

Money-wise, i saved about $200 by getting a lesser asus board that isn't sli-ready, which was then put into a $200 sound card, which is even better than the ROG's onboard sound AND includes a headphone amp.

The issue with boards like the Gene is you're paying a premium for the ability to SLI/xfire. And the reason those boards come with such good built-in sound is you don't have any slots left to plug in a sound card on them.

It's true that I could've gone miniITX, but the equivalent maximus board is again the same price as a lesser board with an additional sound card.

I think even one more generation (ie next year), and there will be boards available with built in sound that has no compromise. As it stands, I was able to build a slightly better computer going this route.

But my next computer, I will probably SLI and just get a motherboard with high quality built-in sound, and get the best of both worlds.

Really though it depends on what the monitor tech looks like next year. My main issue with SLI is that I can generally buy a single card that is just as powerful as two cards at the same equivalent price bracket. The only way I think it would pay off to SLI is to get two really high end cards, but then I need a monitor that can show it off - ie really high res and/or multiple monitors.

Even a 780ti right now can display most games at 60fps at 1440p, which is about what I'd be willing to pay for SLI, so I don't know if I really view SLI yet as "game-changing" tech. I think it's just simply an alternative option to buying a really powerful single card.

Kind of hoping the new 4k monitors change the landscape a little bit though.
Edited by Leviathan25 - 12/15/13 at 8:14pm
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Originally Posted by theKab View Post

I think the PS07's front panel looks a little bit better than the TJ08-E but the fact that there is a door kind of puts me off the PS07. I'm not sure if I could make a new front panel mod for the PS07 that would look good. And it's plastic as well.

Chiming in here regarding PS07's front door design. We actually enlarged the front-side gaps quite a bit to make sure airflow going into the case isn't compromised like you see with many other cases that have front door. So unless you are putting in those very high speed (and noisier) 120mm fans (2000rpm or more), you shouldn't have to worry about airflow getting restricted by PS07's front door.
post #5384 of 7172
@JACKSON: Thank you! smile.gif The measurement it's simple... The same with the original metal side panel. I'm using dark acrylic and the thickness it depends on you (thicker much better to hold).
Here is a diagram/plan how I created it:



"holder" to hold the weight of the acrylic.
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post #5385 of 7172
Yep that the reason I'm buying this case big 180 up front and pos pressure.

Those ram I listed don't seem to get good press.
Would this ones be better
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313399&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10440897&PID=3332167&SID=u00000687
Does it matter 8 or 16GB? Or better to get g skill sniper?

Now I'm even considering R9 280x crossfire. Or buy the 2nd one later.
I know if I get GTX 780 I will never do SLI since they cost about $100 more.
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post #5386 of 7172
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You can now buy the TJ08B-EW window version, its in stock in the US at 4 different retailers.

Cool! i just want the window! Time to contact silverstone thumb.gif
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post #5387 of 7172
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Originally Posted by Leviathan25 View Post

Seconded. I did a LOT of research on cases before I bought this one, and it got basically the absolute best cooling performance with the default configuration compared to many other types of cases. Adding even more airflow to this case with either be redundant, or it will mess up whatever fine balance exists and actually make it worse.

If you are making a "lan" pc. I have to ask the obvious question - are you planning to SLI/Crossfire? because if not, there are several miniITX cases that might be even better for what you're trying to do.

I chose mATX not necessarily for portability, although that's nice. Mostly I just chose it because I don't need any more PC than what an mATX can give me. I wanted a slot for a graphics card and a sound card, and that's it. If on-board sound ever catches up to what you can purchase with a card, my next build will probably be mini-ITX.

When I look at the inside of the case in photos and videos it really looks like the front fan barely comes above the GPU(with one installed) and in this case GPUs draw in air from the top. It looks like all the cool air will be below the GPU. If it makes any sense? EDIT: Note also that the GPU I will be putting in here is an Asus HD6950 DCII that takes up 3 expansion slots.

Not planning on SLI/Crossfire no, but I need the ability to add my PCI wireless network card for potential locations where getting a cabled connection could prove impossible. Like my parent's house when going home for holidays and/or vacations.

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Originally Posted by SilverStone View Post

Chiming in here regarding PS07's front door design. We actually enlarged the front-side gaps quite a bit to make sure airflow going into the case isn't compromised like you see with many other cases that have front door. So unless you are putting in those very high speed (and noisier) 120mm fans (2000rpm or more), you shouldn't have to worry about airflow getting restricted by PS07's front door.

Thank you. The PS07 is slightly lighter, but it is also slightly longer. Will need to do some more research in any case(no pun). Decisions decisions!
Edited by theKab - 12/16/13 at 2:45am
post #5388 of 7172
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Originally Posted by cloudbuster View Post

Yep that the reason I'm buying this case big 180 up front and pos pressure.

Those ram I listed don't seem to get good press.
Would this ones be better
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313399&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10440897&PID=3332167&SID=u00000687
Does it matter 8 or 16GB? Or better to get g skill sniper?

Now I'm even considering R9 280x crossfire. Or buy the 2nd one later.
I know if I get GTX 780 I will never do SLI since they cost about $100 more.

The max height on RAM with the HDD cage installed is 54mm. When buying ram, make sure it's not taller than that. Also make sure that your cooler will clear it as well (look up the manual for whatever CPU cooler you go with).

When buying OC ram, lower voltage and lower CAS latency is best. The reason that RAM is cheap is this:

Timing 11-13-13-35
Cas Latency 11
Voltage 1.65V

Compare that with the Mushkin Redline for $87
Timing: 9-11-10-28
Cas Latency: 9
Voltage: 1.65V

Not always, but most of the time the price of RAM is directly proportional to its timing and latency characteristics. Looking at New Egg, the only time I see this rule broken is if you are paying for name brand (corsair) or special heat sinks or colors on the RAM.

If you have the extra money to spend, try to get something in CAS 9 latency if possible. If not, even CAS 10 would be better.

However, even the CAS 11 that you've picked out will do. Bear in mind that performance jumps in memory is very small. The difference between a 1866 CAS9 and a 2133 CAS11 is so small that they are practically identicle.

This Gskill Cas 8 ram is probably the best value that I see, and would probably blow away the ram you picked out: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231538

As for the amount of RAM, it really just depends on how much money you want to spend. In terms of playing games, there's little to no difference between 8 and 16, but 16 can allow you to have more programs open at once. Depends on how much multi-tasking you do.

Given a budget and a choice, I'd go for 8gb, but a lower cas latency, than slower memory, but 16gb of it.
post #5389 of 7172
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Originally Posted by theKab View Post

When I look at the inside of the case in photos and videos it really looks like the front fan barely comes above the GPU(with one installed) and in this case GPUs draw in air from the top. It looks like all the cool air will be below the GPU. If it makes any sense?

It does, and it worries me too, but I've seen several people post within this thread in the past year that tried it and said their case ran cool and with no problems. I have to believe that if there was an issue with it, there would be far more posts in this thread complaining about it. But I haven't read any bad experience accounts yet. (If you find some, let me know, and I'll stop saying it. lol.)
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Not planning on SLI/Crossfire no, but I need the ability to add my PCI wireless network card for potential locations where getting a cabled connection could prove impossible. Like my parent's house when going home for holidays and/or vacations.

Right. I'm doing much the same thing. I wanted the extra card slots so that I could have more options down the road, but I'm never planning to SLI unless some future monitor tech makes it practically mandatory in order to get a smooth game experience.
post #5390 of 7172
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Originally Posted by Leviathan25 View Post

It depends on what board you get. Some of the newer boards that just came out this month have started to have headphone amps included in the board. At the time I purchased my board, the best one available was either the Gigabyte gamer board or the asus republic of gamers board. The audio is definately SC-quality on those boards, but you get anything less, and it isn't.

Money-wise, i saved about $200 by getting a lesser asus board that isn't sli-ready, which was then put into a $200 sound card, which is even better than the ROG's onboard sound AND includes a headphone amp.

The issue with boards like the Gene is you're paying a premium for the ability to SLI/xfire. And the reason those boards come with such good built-in sound is you don't have any slots left to plug in a sound card on them.

It's true that I could've gone miniITX, but the equivalent maximus board is again the same price as a lesser board with an additional sound card.

I think even one more generation (ie next year), and there will be boards available with built in sound that has no compromise. As it stands, I was able to build a slightly better computer going this route.

But my next computer, I will probably SLI and just get a motherboard with high quality built-in sound, and get the best of both worlds.

Really though it depends on what the monitor tech looks like next year. My main issue with SLI is that I can generally buy a single card that is just as powerful as two cards at the same equivalent price bracket. The only way I think it would pay off to SLI is to get two really high end cards, but then I need a monitor that can show it off - ie really high res and/or multiple monitors.

Even a 780ti right now can display most games at 60fps at 1440p, which is about what I'd be willing to pay for SLI, so I don't know if I really view SLI yet as "game-changing" tech. I think it's just simply an alternative option to buying a really powerful single card.

Kind of hoping the new 4k monitors change the landscape a little bit though.
Heh.....Asus's onboard sound this generation is buggy as hell and honestly not that great. ASROCK's purity sound is actually better.......no driver/hardware conflicts, and a lower noise floor more importantly.
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