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Ah, that's a better option - works out €50 or so cheaper for the keyboard & rest than the other one. Still mighty expensive though, works out at over €200 for the two items .... nearly $300.

Have to think about that.
Qpad and xarmor are still relatively expensive, but at least are giving something in change (accessories, backlight usb hub, media keys, and so on), while other brands are just selling overpricing way more basic boards just because are overhyped.
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How so? I see £108.00 for the keyboard (inc. VAT), and £43.20 (inc. VAT) for the wrist rest. Are there additional taxes besides VAT that you guys have to pay? Is Keyboard Co's shipping expensive? Sorry, I really don't know how things work over there

I spent $160 to get my Filco from Keyboard Co's Amazon.com store (they were kind enough to send some of their stock to an Amazon.com warehouse in the United States so that we could buy Filco without having to pay for international shipping) and I'd say it was worth every penny, but for $300 I'm not sure I would have went for it. Maybe. I'll have to think about that one
Delivery is £19 which puts the total at £174. That's €200 but I'll lose out on conversion so it'll be a bit more than that. That's $280. Would probably end up as €210/$300.
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Qpad and xarmor are still relatively expensive, but at least are giving something in change (accessories, backlight usb hub, media keys, and so on), while other brands are just selling overpricing way more basic boards just because are overhyped.
Basic is the way to go. I don't need backlighting, media keys, or a USB hub in my keyboard. I actually don't even need lettering on my keys. I have a set of blank keycaps on the way. I just want a solid keyboard that is built well. Leopold and Filco are quality keyboards. I do believe the Xarmor series was discontinued due to manufacturing problems with solder connections. No thank you.

I haven't heard much about the Qpad, but the OP stated that he wanted a tenkeyless keyboard. Xarmor does not have a tenkeyless keyboard, and nor does Qpad, so I really don't know where you're going with this post. Try to be helpful instead of simply bashing my recommendations. It doesn't matter if you think they're overpriced. There are limited options for mechanical Tenkeyless keyboards, so by filling that demand Filco and Leopold make money. That's kind of how a business works. If you wanted to recommend a backlit keyboard for the OP, Deck makes compact backlit keyboards, but those come at an even higher price than a Filco or Leopold! It's not so much that they're overhyped, there's just not many companies making compact mechanical keyboards. As you have proven by mentioning Xarmor and Qpad, the majority of mechanical keyboard manufactures make full-sized gamer-oriented keyboards, not compact boards like the OP wants.


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Delivery is £19 which puts the total at £174. That's €200 but I'll lose out on conversion so it'll be a bit more than that. That's $280. Would probably end up as €210/$300.
Ahh, I didn't think you'd have to go through a conversion even with Keyboard Co

Maybe cut out the wrist rest and attempt to find a cheaper solution? A small memory-foam pillow or something?
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Basic is the way to go. I don't need backlighting, media keys, or a USB hub in my keyboard.
Feel free to drive also an horse powerd car, if you like.

I'm not arguing about your personal preferences.
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I just want a solid keyboard that is built well. Leopold and Filco are quality keyboards.
Hahahaha

What about cheap keycaps, rattling spacebars, pinging switches, ringing boards ?

Really the word quality is really abused when looking to filco boards.

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I haven't heard much about the Qpad, but the OP stated that he wanted a tenkeyless keyboard.
I read it while posting my second message

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Try to be helpful instead of simply bashing my recommendations.


Looks like a case of "Pot calling the kettle black"...

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If you wanted to recommend a backlit keyboard for the OP, Deck makes compact backlit keyboards, but those come at an even higher price than a Filco or Leopold!
I' know, i got a BL82 for 40$ (1/4 of the filco price), but I can't suggest them for a zillion of reasons.

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there's just not many companies making compact mechanical keyboards
Termaltake made the MEKA, (which is compact but way more useful than a tenkeyless)
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I do believe the Xarmor series was discontinued due to manufacturing problems with solder connections.
BS, and I don't mean buckling spring.
post #15 of 22
XArmor seem to have been reabsorbed into the iOne brand, as they weren't as successful as iOne wanted, in large part due to lackluster marketing, and the Razer BW and BWU coming out at the same time. XArmor keyboards are still available, mind, just usually with a /iOne or /Qtronix after it.

Not much wrong with their products though, XArmor's build quality was a major step up from iOne's previous efforts.
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Feel free to drive also an horse powerd car, if you like.
Nope, just a completely stock vehicle, free of any neon lights, turbo kits, or spinning rims.
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What about cheap keycaps, rattling spacebars, pinging switches, ringing boards ?

Really the word quality is really abused when looking to filco boards.
I'm pretty sure the standard ABS keycaps are about as "cheap" as the standard keycaps on any mechanical board. I've heard people complain about Filco keys becoming shiney, Das's printing wearing off, etc. It seems impossible to find a board that comes with good keycaps from what I've heard. Buy a set of PBT caps if you aren't satisfied.

My spacebar doesn't rattle, nor do I have any pinging switches. I would consider a pinging switch a defective cherry switch more than a Filco defect, if anything.

As for the ringing problem, it seems to have been greatly exaggerated in my opinion, although I'd have to hear one of the boards in question to make my own opinion. I don't think any less of Filco because of those reports.

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I read it while posting my second message
Exactly my point, you should throurogly read the OP before making any post whatsoever.
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Looks like a case of "Pot calling the kettle black"...
The difference being that the boards I mentioned actually fit the OP's needs/wants.

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I' know, i got a BL82 for 40$ (1/4 of the filco price), but I can't suggest them for a zillion of reasons.
Then don't?
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Termaltake made the MEKA, (which is compact but way more useful than a tenkeyless)
OP said he didn't need a numpad, so there's no point suggesting a board with a numpad on it in my opinion. If he doesn't use the numpad as he says, a numpad won't prove any more useful than a tenkeyless. I also don't know of any retailer he can purchase a MEKA from. It seems he'll have a hard enough time just buying from Keyboard Co.
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BS, and I don't mean buckling spring.
I dunno, that's just what I read. It still doesn't change the fact that Xarmor doesn't make a Tenkeyless board.

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XArmor seem to have been reabsorbed into the iOne brand, as they weren't as successful as iOne wanted, in large part due to lackluster marketing, and the Razer BW and BWU coming out at the same time. XArmor keyboards are still available, mind, just usually with a /iOne or /Qtronix after it.

Not much wrong with their products though, XArmor's build quality was a major step up from iOne's previous efforts.
I stand corrected on the Xarmor boards.

but again, the brand does not make a board that fits the OP's preferences, so I'm not sure why they were even brought up.
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post #17 of 22
I personally stopped gaming with keyboards and use a Nostromo speedpad, much better for FPS in my experience, more comfortable to use for long sessions, and the 8 way D pad on the left thumb really adds a lot of control options that differentiates it from any other gaming keyboard.

There are mods to convert Nostromo to mechanical switches if you really want to tear it apart, but even as stock NKRO dome its still excellent. The n52te from Belkin is very similar to Nostromo but there are slight differences in the controller board and drivers that will run on it.

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post #18 of 22
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Nope, just a completely stock vehicle, free of any neon lights, turbo kits, or spinning rims.
No neon lights are just aesthetic (a questionable one) backlight or usb hub are features, just like automated gears or air conditioning.

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I'm pretty sure the standard ABS keycaps are about as "cheap" as the standard keycaps on any mechanical board. I've heard people complain about Filco keys becoming shiney, Das's printing wearing off, etc. It seems impossible to find a board that comes with good keycaps from what I've heard. Buy a set of PBT caps if you aren't satisfied.
Wrong. Leopold keys are better than the filco ones, the same is true for decks, all the backlit keyboards, the nopoo choch and so on.

It's just a shame that a supposed first of class board lacks such basic feature.

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My spacebar doesn't rattle, nor do I have any pinging switches. I would consider a pinging switch a defective cherry switch more than a Filco defect, if anything.
Not seem the case, pinging switches are cherry's faults and are usually one or two per boards, ringing boards are badly assembled or badly projected boards. You can find endlessly discussion on GH about this.

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Exactly my point, you should throurogly read the OP before making any post whatsoever.
Because anyway I think is preferrable to have something ready to buy in UK, with the correct layout, and with a decent price.

The perfect keyboard isn't still invented and everyone has to renounce to something, maybe he can think to renounce to the tenkeyless format rather than renounce to 100£.

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OP said he didn't need a numpad, so there's no point suggesting a board with a numpad on it in my opinion.
Usually who wants a tenkeyless wants a compact KB, so if one can have both the compactness and the numpad why not consider it ?
post #19 of 22
OP, if you want longevitiy consider a Model M. You can get them new from Unicomp and they can last decades. They just have the standard IBM keyboard matrix 2-key rollover.

http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/en104bl.html

Get the buckling springs of course. The quiet touch is just crappy rubber domes. I would also recommend the classic white/grey color as the black uses grey keys that sparkle (black keys are not feasible with the method they use to print the letters on the keys).
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OP, if you want longevitiy consider a Model M.
True, but have you seen the average price of a space saving model m (tenkeyless) nowadays ?
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