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nothing, no reason what so ever, if i said i used 1000W i would be lying, i did it for laughs, because i can, my ram is water cooled, everything lighted, i mean i have two pumps feeding my 990x that dumps into a gtx 560 rad bolted onto the rear outside of my xigmatek elysium, i also have another 2 pumps stacked for pressure ( the only way you should ever stack them) for my ram. 24GB running in tripple channel GOD BLESS my UD9
    
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honestly i have a 250gb 7200rpm scorpio black that i use on my xbox i cannot imagine it being louder then that, not that i can hear it over my fans, that i cannot hear over my surround sound. but even if it was it gonna sit inside the laptop which will help keep the noise in. my solid capacitors on the UD9 scream when i start her up, most people complain, i think its dead sexy, it makes me think im charging an orbital ion cannon lol. im also the person that uses high pressure delta fans. very very loud but they make headphones. if you really really hate it just return it or resell it. i don't know what your running now but if its a 5400rpm yo gonna have a small cache and even if the hybrid sounded like a 747's jet engine well the speed will but such a huge difference and the price so low that well, lets say it's more addicting then your favorite hot summer day treat packed with enough nicotine to drop 3 cows and chuck norris, with some swim suit models all oiled up on the side =) ( i believe that is the best way to some up the xt vs a 5400rpm 320gb drive) if anyone can find a better comparison please post
    
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nothing, no reason what so ever, if i said i used 1000W i would be lying, i did it for laughs, because i can, my ram is water cooled, everything lighted, i mean i have two pumps feeding my 990x that dumps into a gtx 560 rad bolted onto the rear outside of my xigmatek elysium, i also have another 2 pumps stacked for pressure ( the only way you should ever stack them) for my ram. 24GB running in tripple channel GOD BLESS my UD9
Im just trying to wrap my brain around what this looks like. Im dying to see pictures. What brand pump tops are you using? I only ask because of the video you recommended.

@ op.
Im thinking about going hybrid now reading all this. I have an ssd for os and steam. Its only got about 60 gigs, and i can only have my fav game on it at the time I want to play it. And trying to add a second is $100. While I don't have a budget to play around with. I do think that the hybrid will save a bunch, and bring your performance above what you have right now and any improvement is good.
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Hybrid drives (Momentus XT) aren't worth it unless you really crave faster boot times and faster Firefox loadtimes.

4GB cache is not enough to benefit most games. WD Scorpio Blacks have faster access times, sequential speeds, etc. - when it comes to uncached stuff (like modern games well over 4GB in size) odds are pretty good the WD Black will outperform the Momentus XT. It's only when the caching kicks in that it's another story.

Also keep in mind that Momentus XT write speeds are a bit lackluster compared to Scorpio Blacks. And again, the seek times for non-cached data are at least 15-20% slower.

I'd examine the prices and base my decision on their capacities.
     
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Im just trying to wrap my brain around what this looks like. Im dying to see pictures. What brand pump tops are you using? I only ask because of the video you recommended.
i only have 2 HDD's in raid 0 ( i will expand soon) but i have 4 koolance PMP-450S pumps, that mount inside my 2 koolance RP-452X2 Dual 5.25" Reservoirs. so yes i have 4 drive bays dedicated to reservoirs. the top res has 2 pumps running in serial for stacking head pressure to feed my 990x hook to the gtx 560. the second res has 2 pumps the are separated. i have dual triple channel ram (24Gb) so one loop of that cools 3 dims into a 140mm rad, and the other loop cools the other 3 in another 140mm rad. all four pumps run at 24V. ( compression fittings, barb scares me and i don't trust it with the pressure i have). But as far as i know i am the only person that has a TRUE 50/50 load on the PSU's since every single cable was cut and spliced ( like i took the two 24 pins cut the end off of one cable and soldered ever single cable to the same cable on the other.) or look at it like this, i made a ton of Y-cables. just because i cold not find a 24pin y cable with them all hooked together for dual boot, all i could find was the normal ones with the green wire hooked together. once i did that i could not stop so i made every cable like that.
    
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found it watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kss98VdhSj0

for desktops users like me i would take 6 and use RAID 0, almost 3000GB of space, almost all the speed of the ssd, and best of all it costs about $700 not $7500. wanna go faster? by 8 drives and you will smoke 6 ssd's
That's just booting and a preset sequences.

If you defrag or files fill up the 4GB cache, performance is back to the 7200RPM HDD. Also that only improves read performance.

Hybrid drives are more like fast HDDs (for a few apps) and not like a SSD.
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for desktops users like me i would take 6 and use RAID 0, almost 3000GB of space, almost all the speed of the ssd, and best of all it costs about $700 not $7500. wanna go faster? by 8 drives and you will smoke 6 ssd's
Why not get a single SSD for OS and a few key applications you want to load fast and a standard cheap hard drive for all the file/media storage? With a dedicated SSd you can control what is allowed to load super fast. With a hybrid drive you just hope that the drive can guess what you want to load fast.

There is no need to use SSDs or hybrid drives for bulk file storage. Unless you really care that it takes 0.4 seconds less to start playing a MP3 or movie file...

In my opinion hybrid drives are for people who don't know how to use two independent hard drives. If your laptop can only hold 1 drive then I guess they make sense but for any other application I say get a SSd and a normal HD.

Personally my short stroked Samsung 1TB F3 is fast enough as an OS drive. I don't reboot that often so boot time is not an issue to me. The other drives in my system are for storage.
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Hybrid drives (Momentus XT) aren't worth it unless you really crave faster boot times and faster Firefox loadtimes.

4GB cache is not enough to benefit most games. WD Scorpio Blacks have faster access times, sequential speeds, etc. - when it comes to uncached stuff (like modern games well over 4GB in size) odds are pretty good the WD Black will outperform the Momentus XT. It's only when the caching kicks in that it's another story.

Also keep in mind that Momentus XT write speeds are a bit lackluster compared to Scorpio Blacks. And again, the seek times for non-cached data are at least 15-20% slower.

I'd examine the prices and base my decision on their capacities.
last i checked the prices were the same WD5000BEKT (BEKT is faster then BJKT and everything else) and the XT. when you think about daily use, yo will be spending more time on firefox, and facebook, and here, and if your in college you will be doing work in word, excel, ect. and well everything will be faster with the XT except gaming. if your doing HEAVY gaming and play 5 hours a day why would you use a laptop. so deff take a look at how you use your comp and base that on your decision. also i would not go over 500GB
    
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Mobile hard drives are usually put under more stress than desktop ones, what with being moved around a lot. Momentus XTs are also known to have reliability issues, and their speed gain is very situational (like if you only have 4GB of "most accessed data").

My opinion OP, at least don't get the Momentus, if you value reliability over speed.
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Why not get a single SSD for OS and a few key applications you want to load fast and a standard cheap hard drive for all the file/media storage? With a dedicated SSd you can control what is allowed to load super fast. With a hybrid drive you just hope that the drive can guess what you want to load fast.

There is no need to use SSDs or hybrid drives for bulk file storage. Unless you really care that it takes 0.4 seconds less to start playing a MP3 or movie file...

In my opinion hybrid drives are for people who don't know how to use two independent hard drives. If your laptop can only hold 1 drive then I guess they make sense but for any other application I say get a SSd and a normal HD.

Personally my short stroked Samsung 1TB F3 is fast enough as an OS drive. I don't reboot that often so boot time is not an issue to me.
I find having 2 independent drives to be a waste, i can't wait to have 6 drives in raid 0 because no matter what drives the are even the worst, it will blow the doors of an ssd even 2 in raid 0, plus with raid 0 every last thing i do is super fast, booting, reading, writing, and having 24Gb of ram in dual triple channel at 2100mhz would be a waste to not use raid 0.

like really who wants to blow $75 for a 30GB ssd just to then have a snail 1TB or 2TB when you can take 4 5400rpm at 250gb raid 0 them, smoke the ssd in every way, spend less money, still have almost 1TB of space and best thing of all you comp shows 1 hard drive so you don't have to waste time sitting there going " well i use this a lot more now so ill stick that on my c drive (ssd) and then i'll put my videos on the D drive, oh snap well i don't really use jungle flasher now so i can stick that onto the D drive also and so on. they invented striped raid for a reason. i would use mirrored if it gave me any gain what so ever. 4 drives mirrored ( well im downloading a movie and one drive caught on fire and . . . oh great my dog just wizzed on number 2 and 3 but hey, im still running =0 RAID mirrored
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