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I would get a single GTX560 and use the rest of the money to upgrade that E6600.
+1 to this.

$250 should start you up on getting a 2500k + mobo. especially if you have a microcenter nearby.
    
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I'm also looking at an I5 2500k and a new mobo.
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I would get a single GTX560 and use the rest of the money to upgrade that E6600.
Yeah, + rep for that too, I didn't notice.
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I was told when I was just a wee lad, that when it comes to computer components, you should always buy the best that you can afford at the time you make the purchase.

For some components I absolutely agree with this.

The graphics card is not one of those components however.

The thing is, graphics cards are always being updated, and typically this causes the previous generations cards to be knocked down in price - sometimes quite substantially - whilst they are still perfectly capable of keeping your FPS high for most games out there and probably for a little time to come.

So would you be better off buying that all singing, all dancing and very expensive card now, or going for a cheaper alternative and upgrading to the all singing all dancing one in a couple of years time when it's also stupidly cheap?

As has been said earlier in this thread, the 460 is a beast of a card and will gobble it's way through most of what you can throw at it without much of a hiccup. This card is also pretty cheap right about now. I would have gone for one in my latest rig, but I found a decent 560 ti for a ridiculously good price.

My opinion is that it really comes down to whether that money is burning a hole in your pocket and/or what your objective is in terms of your new rig. Also remember that depending upon what you go with, you might also need to factor in the cost of a new PSU to keep up with the demands of your setup.

EDIT: Though the PSU comment wouldn't matter if you plan on using that 750W strider you currently have in your sig unless you decide to go for the hungriest components imaginable. This link is pretty handy for calculating PSU requirements: phaedrus-quickndirty-psu-calculator.html
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Dont shell out for an expensive gtx500 series when the next gen is only round the corner, and really is gona destroy everything and make everyone who paid big bucks pretty pissed lol. The 500 series wasnt a big enuf jump in performance.....Instead of 560s get a pair of 460s, and have 580 or better performance (mostly and at typical res) for around 60% of the cost. Then get a new all powerfull gpu way down the road. Just my educated opinnion
    
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Dont shell out for an expensive gtx500 series when the next gen is only round the corner, and really is gona destroy everything and make everyone who paid big bucks pretty pissed lol. The 500 series wasnt a big enuf jump in performance.....Instead of 560s get a pair of 460s, and have 580 or better performance (mostly and at typical res) for around 60% of the cost. Then get a new all powerfull gpu way down the road. Just my educated opinnion
A 560 Ti isn't big bucks, and your logic of hardware remaining old can also be directed at you since you'll eventually be replacing 2 cards.

Kepler was delayed until mid 2012.

Dual 460's does appear to be basically equivalent to 580 performance. Also, the price for SLI 460's is actually a great setup depending on how much you get them for, especially if you already own 1 460.

The OP is coming from an 8800 GT, a single 560 Ti or even a 460 would be an amazing performance increase.

But, as pointed out, the OP really should replace that E6600.

For longevity, a single 570 would be a wise choice for the OP, but, that E6600 absolutely needs to be replaced.

Having just said that, I really do think SLI 460's would be worth it, I've seen people get them for the price of a single 570.
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http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/1064...ing-score.html

a slow 580 is just as good as a mildly oc 570 and a highly oc 560 ti
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A 560 Ti isn't big bucks
Agreed, but it is still a chunk of cash more than a 460, and of course you can double that difference if buying two of them.

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logic of hardware remaining old can also be directed at you since you'll eventually be replacing 2 cards.
Yes that is true, but those two cards are probably going to last quite some time and will not need replacing for a whole bundle of generations of card.

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The OP is coming from an 8800 GT, a single 560 Ti or even a 460 would be an amazing performance increase.

But, as pointed out, the OP really should replace that E6600.
Agreed with both of these points, although the latter really does depend a little more on what the op will be doing with said rig when finished.

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Having just said that, I really do think SLI 460's would be worth it, I've seen people get them for the price of a single 570.
+1

As I said in my earlier post, I would have got a 460 myself if it wasn't for a 15% discount I managed to bag on this card. 460's in SLI would ensure that you wouldn't need to upgrade for a good while either, at which point you just get two cheap 960s or whatever is the 460 equivalent at that point in time.
    
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Having just said that, I really do think SLI 460's would be worth it, I've seen people get them for the price of a single 570.
+1

As I said in my earlier post, I would have got a 460 myself if it wasn't for a 15% discount I managed to bag on this card. 460's in SLI would ensure that you wouldn't need to upgrade for a good while either, at which point you just get two cheap 960s or whatever is the 460 equivalent at that point in time.
The more I think about it, with SLI 460's matching a 580, even slightly surpassing it. You'd literally have no need to touch the 5** series unless you were going to SLI 580's. Especially if you already owned a 460.

I now understand why "Balla The Feared" was so adamant about his SLI 470 OC setup.
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I'm more defensive than adamant, a lot of people dismiss them until they see with their own eyes what they're capable of.

5xx series cards aren't bad, you just have to pay a price premium for a small performance increase and several other things such as thermals, noise, and heat output. However that isn't the whole story, they also have refined reference coolers, less power leaks, and better OC ceilings.

In every way the 5xx series cards are better than their 4xx series counter-parts. The 560 is better than the 460, the 570 is better than the 470 and the 580 is better than the 480. My only objection is to the "how much" that improvement is and how much its worth paying for.

The major selling point behind 4xx series right now is their price point, it makes them incredibly lucrative purchases based on price/performance ratios alone.

What it comes down to is how much can you afford to pay now, what kind of cooling improvements are you willing to make if any, and what your tolerance level is towards things like fan noise are.

My 470s with water blocks cost me about $550, but they'll clock up to 900Mhz in SLI. Which means they're just about on par with 580 SLI @ stock. An investment which at the time of my purchase was around $1100 for reference alone. Now obviously 580s overclock on air, and under water even more so. However I can't afford $1000 or more in gpus, heck thats 66% of my total build cost.

For me 470s were the best option I had available, not everyone looks at the same thing though and comes to the same conclusion. Around here five people could look at the same thing, come to five difference conclusions and the best part is all five would be right. Its a matter of perspective, and what you value. I valued performance above all else in a price range I could afford, and with a card I could invest in to improve. If I had gotten a 570 I'd have gotten more performance, same with a 580. If I went with a 560 I would have gotten less performance but I would have had better power usage and stock cooling/noise/thermals.

Long winded never ending post - I guess my overall point here is that there is no one right option, do what makes sense for what you want to do. I would love to have 580 SLI, I just can't afford it. So I went with the best option I could that provided me with the best performance I could get. That performance took water cooling to remove the stock fan noise from the equation, grant additional clocks, and reduce gpu temps to make me feel more comfortable running them so hard.

My only concern these days is 1.25GB of vram, Crysis 2 is laughing at me and I'm not sure if increasing my system ram from 4gb to 8gb will skate me through the next year or two without having to upgrade my gpus prematurely.

tl;dr - Yeah me neither.
    
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