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I've been looking at all your information and my current situation. The X58 is falling in price. When SBe comes out, the value of my parts will fall and fall. I mean, how much faster is the SBe? How overpriced will the Ivy be? How long will the current sandy last?

So i was thinking, to keep the value high, i thought about getting a 2600k with a z68 mobo and 8gb ram. I can make around 380. The cost for the new parts will be 440. It's a bit more a safety net if i go with SB for future value for selling and/or future performance. Yes the only thing i don't like is the x8 x8 on the 1155 and the new PCI-E 3.0.

In your opinion, do you think a pair of 7970's would be bottlenecked by x8 x8 and a SB at 4.5Ghz HT?

Do you get where am coming from?
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Yeah I know where you're coming from smile.gif

I sold my 1090T for $185 two weeks before Sandy came out, the value of that 1090T dropped to about $120 currently, probably less in a few more weeks.

1366 took the same hit as AMD did in resale, before sandy 920s went for around $225 or more, after sandy you were lucky to get $200, probably less know since people know the i5-2500k can out pace the 1366 x4's in most everything oc vs oc.

Sandy is a bit faster, but its still a side grade for a 1366 user, you may see very little gains because you aren't dealing with a full time cpu bottleneck.

Do you encode? If you do a lot of video encoding, the performance of quick sync is unquestionable, it will probably beat out SBe even with gpu acceleration - its just that fast. Aside from that there is little to be had going for a 4.4GHz 920 to say a 4.8GHz i7-2600k - maybe a bit more future proofing in the cpu area though. If Ivy is truly what Intel says it is, and the rumors are correct and that your board will support PCIe 3.0 I wouldn't consider the switch to 1155 a bad move.

I don't think 1366 resale is going to drop too much lower (in the near future), maybe a bit though when current 1366 unload for 2011.


I dunno this is getting long winded...

1366 pros: Still good performance, you have it. 2 x16 lanes.

1155 pros: faster than x4 1366 chips, decently cheap, upgrade path with ivy.

1366 cons: old, losing resale value, no future cpu revisions

1155 cons: mainstream socket, x8 x8 lanes, not a world apart from 1366 chips



Its a hard choice, I did it in a heart beat with my 1090T, but thats a bit different since the per core performance of Phenom II is utter crap even compared to your 920.

I don't think you can go wrong either way, selling now would probably yield the most return on your current setup, however 1155 at least until Ivy may not prove a worthy upgrade for you. Though at the cost difference it would still be a cost effective side grade.

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Did you say the Ivy would fit a socket 1155?
Also i am not sure what is ment by this bit. (Blonde moment again)
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If Ivy is truly what Intel says it is, and the rumors are correct and that your board will support PCIe 3.0 I wouldn't consider the switch to 1155 a bad move.

lol sorry for the stupid-ness.
rep for you anyway mate for all the help and support.
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In your opinion, do you think a pair of 7970's would be bottlenecked by x8 x8 and a SB at 4.5Ghz HT?

4x is enough for one of my GTX480s yessir.gif
And so, 8x will work well for some time yet smile.gif
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Did you say the Ivy would fit a socket 1155?
Also i am not sure what is ment by this bit. (Blonde moment again)


lol sorry for the stupid-ness.
rep for you anyway mate for all the help and support.



Afaik there will be 22nm Ivy for both 1155 and 2011 - I'm pretty sure we won't see an x6 on 1155 though.


I mean ivy on 1155 has a new chipset, but the cpu contains the PCIe lanes... I don't know how its going to go down, but there is a good chance at this point you can drop a Ivy 1155 into current 1155 boards and get every feature except native USB 3.0.
    
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I never knew the CPU had the PCIe lanes?
Thanks Achilee5 for the screenshot. What i don't get it, if you ran a 580 in the same test, surley it would run at 18.8fps at x8 same as the 480 or do i have that wrong? There is a decrease from x16 to x8.

Also how many cores is a Sandy-E range? How much faster is the sandy e to the sandy? same question goes for Ivy?
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Does this look too high?
BFBC2, 1080p, max out, HBAO ON, Bloom ON, 6970CF enabled, Multiplayer, large conquest map.

Thank you.

That looks ok i guess, you can go to:
1.Task Mananger
2.Performance Tab
3.Resource Monitor...
4.Owerview Tab
Then you can see how much BFBC2.exe uses of your system, and if any other programs is using a lot in the background.

Other than that it looks good, I get a lot of heat by playing BFBC2! smile.gif
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I never knew the CPU had the PCIe lanes?
Thanks Achilee5 for the screenshot. What i don't get it, if you ran a 580 in the same test, surley it would run at 18.8fps at x8 same as the 480 or do i have that wrong? There is a decrease from x16 to x8.

Also how many cores is a Sandy-E range? How much faster is the sandy e to the sandy? same question goes for Ivy?

I believe so...

h55_diagrama.jpg

The PCIe lanes come directly from the cpu, hence my feeling PCIe 3.0 should come to 1155 via Ivy Bridge (1155 sku's).


Sandy Bridge E should come in 4c/8t 6c/12t and 6c/12t versions with varying amounts of cache is base clocks. It will not have the same overclocking limitation (afaik) as 1155 due to not having an on die gpu.


Clock for clock I wouldn't except much of a difference, the only major difference would be quad channel vs dual, and of course much large cache sizes (and core amounts) for SBe. I don't know for sure though, just my guess...


Ivy is supposed to offer a 20% performance boost over SB, at least on 1155... Not sure about SBe though. Tri-gate is the main change outside of the die shrink of course.


Here is a diagram of Ivy (1155) from SA:

intel_ivy_bridge_pcie3.jpg
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Thanks Achilee5 for the screenshot. What i don't get it, if you ran a 580 in the same test, surley it would run at 18.8fps at x8 same as the 480 or do i have that wrong? There is a decrease from x16 to x8.

I think you have it wrong smile.gif
Because, if they got 18.3fps out of x4. And with the fact that x8 is twice the bandwidth thinking.gif

So x4 might be a bit tight! But twice that should be plenty, I'd have thought! confused.gif
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Ok, so the SBe is socket 2011. Will they be priced the same as the sandy bridge was? You know, £200 for 2500 and £300 for 2600?

I am thinking of going SB and getting an OC of around 4.7Ghz. The reason i say this is because my current system value has dropped by a big amount. Am lucky that my chip is a good Overclocker for a selling point of view. Is it just me, i find socket 1155 to be strange in a way, as though it's going to be obsulete very soon?
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