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Originally Posted by tsm106 View Post
MS should get into the game too.
I see what you are saying because if memory serves me correctly doesn't MS also have some handsets with HTC?

As far as Samsung + Google + HTC will own apple.



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post #22 of 71
Oh goody, another one!

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Originally Posted by ForumViewer View Post
It's impossible to stifle innovation. The problem for Android licensees is they're mostly uncreative. They see what Apple has done, what Apple made popular, and try their hardest to copy it. That is NOT innovation, but that is what Apple is trying to prevent. If Apple feels they have a case, they'll sue, and it's up to the ITC and judges to make the decision. Simple as that. No one on this forum knows more. You're all just too damn emotionally tied to Android to think straight.

Personally I could care less if Apple wins or loses, it's no skin off my back either way. However, would I like to see an American company come out on top? You're damn right.
Android is not an exact exact copy of iOS, otherwise it wouldn't have gotten this far without facing public scrutiny. Sure, we could call it a reactionary solution to the Apple dominance, but since its humble beginnings in 1.5 Cupcake, it has grown and matured to become a unique OS of its own. Just take a look at how Google made it far with Gingerbread and Honeycomb, the current versions of our dessert-themed operating system. Those are offering some unique capabilities like NFC, USB hosting, and more.

Now Apple on the other hand is undisputed progenitor of the modern smartphone and tablet. We get it, the iPhone and iPad were such stunning successes they sell better than hotcakes. But take a look at how iOS is progressing; in the early days, even basic functions such as custom ringtones weren't possible and 2G EDGE was the data connection of choice. Now skip to iOS 4 and we just saw Facetime and multitasking, the former feature basically seen on phones in the European market for years and the latter on Android phones since 1.5 Cupcake. Here we can see that Apple does innovate the first time, then locks us out by withholding necessary features until the next major release every year. Within that time span, Android devices for example have gone to 3G, Flash, OTA updates, and eventually dual-core processors and 4G LTE.

Now, back to topic. It's good that Google is taking some responsibility in defending HTC against Apple's case. Now the big patent here is the automatic changing of pertinent data within text - addresses, email, phone numbers - into hyperlinks. Unless Apple could prove that Google carbon-copied the same exact code used in iOS into a different software platform like Android, I don't see this one taking off. ITC better hire some competent engineers to make this case actually plausible and believable. And oh, let's not forget prior art into this. I've heard Apple's 1996 patent isn't exactly new, where older phones have simpler implementations of this sort of capability. That, and basically every modern computer has had this feature for so long.
Edited by jjsoviet - 7/19/11 at 2:01pm
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oh yea!!!
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lol did that guy just say that android copied ios? They took something and made it better. That's EXACTLY what people say apple are doing. not first smartphone but a step forwards in the tech. not first tablet but a step forwards in the tech. (I think at the tablet point apple are just releasing anything cause they know they have an army of braindead people who will buy it regardless. and I'm not saying that's all apple users) . android took what apple did and made it better and now apple are butthurt over it. its highly hypocritical because its exactly what they do in the first place.
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I see what you are saying because if memory serves me correctly doesn't MS also have some handsets with HTC?
Some? Try most of them.


Although this patent only stops HTC from importing Android phones. I don't Microsoft will want to interfere, unless Apple threatens WP7, and I don't see them doing that, since last time Apple tried to sue Microsoft over ridiculous patents they almost went bankrupt.
    
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Some? Try most of them.


Although this patent only stops HTC from importing Android phones. I don't Microsoft will want to interfere, unless Apple threatens WP7, and I don't see them doing that, since last time Apple tried to sue Microsoft over ridiculous patents they almost went bankrupt.
Are you sure? I thought I remember certain HTC, WP7 devices being singled out; I just don't remember the source.

EDIT: I remember that suit, btw. If apple keeps this pace it's going to happen again.
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Apple is an enormous company. They sell many things. They have a lot invested into phones. Company A brings out a phone copying some feature. I guess we better not let them file allegations because they're Apple and screw them I hate them.



This is a knife. It has a spring assisted opening mechanism. That mechanism is patented. Copy the mechanism and sell a knife in the same price range with similar features. You can expect an angry letter from SOG asking you to cease production. I bet you'd say that's fair. Let's apply this to your arguments against Apple.

"There are only so many ways you can design a phone to look"

Interesting. Here I have this knife, it has one function, to cut things. There are numerous patents just for this knife, let alone the one displayed on the blade. I see no complaint over this company having these patents. If we apply the "there are only so many ways argument" then one must assume because of the lack of outcry, there are very many ways to design a knife. Last time I checked, a knife is significantly less complicated than a smartphone. If Kershaw, or Benchmade, or Cold Steel, or any number of companies can find a way to design a knife that doesn't infringe on numerous other companies patents on a KNIFE, I'm sure tech giants that hold significantly more market share than a blade company can find a way.

"Apple doesn't innovate, they just steal ideas!"

I hear and read this in every single thread about Apple. 90% of the time it is accompanied either by the Samsung F700 picture (proven fake), or no proof at all. 10% mention something ALMOST relevant (i.e. drop down notifications). Regardless of however many infrigements you believe there are, that does not invalidate the original claim, it simple presents a chance to counter-sue, or to open a new case.

Let's say X store was robbed, but the owner was found to be guilty of assault. That doesn't mean that the robbery never happened and that you can't prosecute the person who robbed the store. They may SEEM related, but they aren't connected in a significant way.

Trust me, people spend MUCH more time than you do going over these cases on both sides of the table. If HTC had a viable thing to file against Apple, you can bet they would've done it. Apple is not a stupid company, they did not get to where they are by being ignorant and flippant. There is a legitimate reason that they have filed these complaints and suits. No company in their right mind would file a lawsuit they didn't believe they had a good chance to win, that's corporate suicide.

"I hate Apple, they suck!"

Attacking them does nothing to invalidate their actions.

You may have legitimate reasons to dislike Apple's actions, maybe you don't like the customer base they market to (definitely not the people that populate this site), or just dislike the OS for personal reasons. Chances are 80% of the people in this thread have no legitimate backing for their dislike of a company. Regardless of what you think is right, there is a justice system in this country that think you're wrong, and until you can propose a new system that is better than the one we have now you have no reason to discredit them in specific cases because it weakens the system. Invalidating a claim like this can set a dangerous precedent for future patent disputes. Patent law is sticky, people go to college just to learn about it. But, this cuts both ways. Approving this case can have similarly disastrous consequences. But in this situation, I believe backpedaling on the ITC's decision sets a much more disastrous precedent than approving it does. Apple is not going to drop the suit (the only viable third option) because this perceived theft threatens their business.

This country was one based around rich people getting richer, corporate security, and the freedom to make obscene amounts of money, and until you can take their money away they will rule this land, no matter how much you don't like it.
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My Symbian Nokia has the ability to highlight a number and call it, but I don't see Apple going after them. It's because they feel threatened and want to stifle competition before they can get traction.
i'm pretty sure apple already sued and got a settlement from Nokia

thats what their legal battle with nokia before HTC was about wasn't it?
check the earlier news sources about apple suing HTC, i'm pretty sure the ones I read also mentioned Nokia violating the same patents and Apple successfully settling with Nokia for an undisclosed sum.

anyway....way to go HTC and Google!

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if this is about stealing ideas then why don’t we see a Microsoft, blackberry, Sony Ericson, LG, Motorolla, Google ect lawsuit as well.You honestly think that HTC are the only other phone manufacturer to implement.
'system and method for performing an action on a structure in computer-generated data'
and
'real-time signal processing system for serially transmitted data'
The last time apple did this they almost went bankrupt
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And this debate is about what again?

So... yeah about that patent. This could invalidated by:

- Prior art. I know there's something that has the hyperlinking tech before the Apple patent, like a Motorola iDEN phone that auto-detects phone numbers within messages.

- The exact specifics of Apple's implementation of the patent. If Google manages to do the same thing using a different method, then Android is safe. And I really believe this is so because iOS and Android are so different in architecture, it's near-impossible one copied the exact code from the other.
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