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UPDATE!!!

The last thing that I did that has really helped me is that I updated my BIOS! WHHEEEWWW! I feel a lot better now. I only updated to version FF (instead of FGC). I was scared of their note --> Note: Remove boot PXE ROM & unlock CPU core function, please use previous BIOS version for full functionality.

My Vcore in BIOS normal/defaul settings is 1.275V now (was 1.450V)!!! That's what was worring me the most. When I pull up CPU-Z, the Core Voltage being reported is almost 1:1 (set for 1.425, CPU-Z=1.424)

I also have 1600 ram that I was running @ 1333 (not sure why)....so I boosted to manufacture's recommended settings to 1.65v and x8.00 mem setting to get to 1600.

Boosted NB to 1.200V
Boosted Vcore +0.15 --> 1.425V
Multiplier x19
Left bus speed @ 200
Left HT speed/multi alone

Now running @ 3800.0MHz and MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE!

See screen shots...

I'm going to do a little testing but I think I figured it out

Only think that I see that might be an issue is with GPU...I get some screen flicker on screen #2...not sure why...turned down the OC on GPU (even though it wasn't that much)

May try to go to the 4.0, but I think I'll have to play with the bus speed (probably 225 range I'm guessing)...may have to turn down the memory back to x6.66 multiplier too.

On to do some benchmarking...
The 1090T's (from what I've seen) can usually run a 4.0GHz with 1.39-1.41v Vcore. I do remember a few Gigabyte owners having trouble with this (can't remember which model mobo) and had to run a similar Vcore as you are now. Now that you have your temp monitoring figured out properly I'd take the time to play with a CPU Multiplier only OC to get an idea of how little voltage it'll take to run stable. After that I would than go for a HTT OC using the info from this first Multiplier Only OC. Good things happen can happen using a 250 x16 with a 1090T.

Be sure and manually enter your RAM timings too if you haven't. Using four sticks of RAM may hold your OC back some. Be aware you may need slightly more than stock Dram Voltage and possibly even a small increase in CPU/NB Voltage to get it stabilized.

While WC does have it's advantages for cooling a CPU, one should always remember the mobo HS's too. Seeing how you no longer have any air flow from a HSF to help in cooling the VRM's you might consider adding an internal fan to blow over that area (can even be mounted to the back side of the optical drive bays with zip ties for a quick test) which should help load temps but better yet will help prevent the VRM's from over heating causing voltage issues under load.

Performance wise,
Always maintain HT Link Speed at 2000MHz +/- 100MHz,
Raise NB Freq as high as possible (1090T can usually run 3000MHz NB Freq with CPU/NB at 1.35-1.45v) always test your system for optimum results.

First things first, get HS's over those VRM's and get some air moving over them.
 
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First things first, get HS's over those VRM's and get some air moving over them.
Don't I already have a big HS over the VRMs? See pic (circled area)
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UPDATE!!!

The last thing that I did that has really helped me is that I updated my BIOS! WHHEEEWWW! I feel a lot better now. I only updated to version FF (instead of FGC). I was scared of their note --> Note: Remove boot PXE ROM & unlock CPU core function, please use previous BIOS version for full functionality.

My Vcore in BIOS normal/defaul settings is 1.275V now (was 1.450V)!!! That's what was worring me the most. When I pull up CPU-Z, the Core Voltage being reported is almost 1:1 (set for 1.425, CPU-Z=1.424)

I also have 1600 ram that I was running @ 1333 (not sure why)....so I boosted to manufacture's recommended settings to 1.65v and x8.00 mem setting to get to 1600.

Boosted NB to 1.200V
Boosted Vcore +0.15 --> 1.425V
Multiplier x19
Left bus speed @ 200
Left HT speed/multi alone

Now running @ 3800.0MHz and MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE!

See screen shots...

I'm going to do a little testing but I think I figured it out

Only think that I see that might be an issue is with GPU...I get some screen flicker on screen #2...not sure why...turned down the OC on GPU (even though it wasn't that much)

May try to go to the 4.0, but I think I'll have to play with the bus speed (probably 225 range I'm guessing)...may have to turn down the memory back to x6.66 multiplier too.

On to do some benchmarking...
Good job! I still say lower the CPU multiplier and up the FSB. 230 is my favorite for a normal all day OC when I'm benchmarking - especially the GPU's. I would also recommend leaving the memory at 1600. No need to lower it unless they get hot to the touch. Use CPU-Z to check your SPD timings - you may be right. Your GPU problems won't get solved until you KNOW you have a stable CPU/memory OC.

Looks good so far - except those hoses!!! I think it ironic that you are looking for better air flow with a water cooled system. Anyway, it's nice to see a newcomer with a thinking mind and cautious initiative.
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Here is my 1090T at cpu at 4.0ghz,nb at 3090mhz

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1919643
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UPDATE!

After playing for another time, I think I got to something that I can run 24/7. Intel burn passed and got to ~50°C max....can someone suggest if that temp is ok? When I game, I think I get to ~45°C max...

The Overclock:
Speed: 3959.83Mhz

Settings:
AMD CIE - off
Virtualization - off
AMD K8 C&Q - off
Core Perf Boost - off
CPU Multiplier - x18
CPU NB Multiplier - x12
CPU NB Frequency - 2640 Mhz (can I go higher here?!?)
CPU Frequency - 220Mhz
PCIE Clock - 100Mhz
HT Link Multiplier - x9
HT Link Frequency - 1980 Mhz
Memroy Clock Multiplier - x6.66
Memory Speed - 1466Mhz (1600 Ram underclocked)
Memory Timings - 9-9-9-24-33-2T
CPU PLL - 2.500V (normal)
DRAM - 1.605V (+0.105)
NB - 1.32 (+0.02)
Side Port Memory - 1.600V (normal)
NB/PCIe/PLL - 1.800V (normal)
CPU NB VID - 1.275 (+0.15)
CPU - 1.425V (+0.15)

GPU Core - 875 Mhz
GPU Memory - 1275 Mhz
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Good job! I still say lower the CPU multiplier and up the FSB. 230 is my favorite for a normal all day OC when I'm benchmarking - especially the GPU's. I would also recommend leaving the memory at 1600.
I'll push it up to 230...from your recommendation and from other others, I think 230 will be fine. If I do run @ 230, the best I can get my memory to run @ is either 1531.8 (230*6.66) or 1840 (230*8.00).

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Looks good so far - except those hoses!!! I think it ironic that you are looking for better air flow with a water cooled system.
Even though if you are water cooled, you still need air flow in your system. A water cooled system is just a big radiator...you still need air flow through the radiator in order to cool off the fluid....that was my problem...bad air flow into and out of my case!!
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Nice going. A couple of comments:

1. Why did you up your NB voltage? 1.2 is plenty for a 4g/x12 nb OC.
2. If you go to 230, lower your NB x11 at the start. (your voltage advice has to come from someone else. All i know is, my nb and ht voltages are always in auto because every time I've played with those voltages i see blue). Besides, my latencies are lower than intel's 980/990 series AS WELL as both the sandy bridge offerings so I'm not messing with them anymore.
3. I noticed your HT is x9 now. Why so low? i know we have completely different mobo's (my chipset and GPU's are nforce/nVidia), so you may know something I don't...
4. The thing about your air flow was a joke.

My "all day" OC is 3.91, 230, x17cpu, x11 nb and ht, DDR3-1850 @ 9-9-9-24-31 CR1@ 1.65v, cpuvid 1.475. I have my 470's in sli, with reflashed bioses to up the voltage to 1.125 to run 860/1720/1900 without crashing. (this OC will give me a 9500+ on 3D Mark 11).

50c is OK, but I'm surprised because you use water. My air cooled system has never let my cpu go past 48 with IBT on max, but my video cards do hover around 80c using furmark, Unigine Heaven, etc. But I only do this for the competition and the hobby. I'm usually at 3.8 on the cpu (x18), fsb 210, nb and ht x12, 774 on the gpu and 1600 on the memory with stock (auto) timings.

Anyway, this was just to give you a comparison. I'm sure the mobo/gpu differences are most of the reasons you're going in different directions and it sounds like you're catching on nicely. Hope I've helped. We 1090's have to stick together!
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I have 4.0 on a sabertooth 990fx. I have the hyper 212+ for cooling, it idles at 30 and maxes out at 42ish. I'll post my cpuz validation when I get home if you want to check out my settings.
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Nice going. A couple of comments:

1. Why did you up your NB voltage? 1.2 is plenty for a 4g/x12 nb OC.
2. If you go to 230, lower your NB x11 at the start. (your voltage advice has to come from someone else. All i know is, my nb and ht voltages are always in auto because every time I've played with those voltages i see blue). Besides, my latencies are lower than intel's 980/990 series AS WELL as both the sandy bridge offerings so I'm not messing with them anymore.
3. I noticed your HT is x9 now. Why so low? i know we have completely different mobo's (my chipset and GPU's are nforce/nVidia), so you may know something I don't...
4. The thing about your air flow was a joke.

My "all day" OC is 3.91, 230, x17cpu, x11 nb and ht, DDR3-1850 @ 9-9-9-24-31 CR1@ 1.65v, cpuvid 1.475. I have my 470's in sli, with reflashed bioses to up the voltage to 1.125 to run 860/1720/1900 without crashing. (this OC will give me a 9500+ on 3D Mark 11).

50c is OK, but I'm surprised because you use water. My air cooled system has never let my cpu go past 48 with IBT on max, but my video cards do hover around 80c using furmark, Unigine Heaven, etc. But I only do this for the competition and the hobby. I'm usually at 3.8 on the cpu (x18), fsb 210, nb and ht x12, 774 on the gpu and 1600 on the memory with stock (auto) timings.

Anyway, this was just to give you a comparison. I'm sure the mobo/gpu differences are most of the reasons you're going in different directions and it sounds like you're catching on nicely. Hope I've helped. We 1090's have to stick together!
YO!

Thanks for the reply!

1) I upped my NB voltage because I upped my NB frequency...I was thinking that since you do this for the CPU that you would have to do something similar for the NB. Thanks for the recommendation...I'll try it when I get home!
2) Will do...I was planning to go no higher than ~2800Mhz on NB frequency
3) From browsing the forums and reading actual results, I saw that the results were mixed on increasing HT frequency....therefore I tried to keep it as close to ~2000Mhz. I figure if I really wanted to tweak, I could fool with this later
4) ahhahahahahaahahahhahah!!!!

Anyways, maybe your board is better? I'll have to look up your board, but I know mine is only a 4+1 in regards to number of phases/VRMs. Also, I'm going to replace the case fan blowing into the radiator to help! Also, maybe add a few more fans in a push/pull set up.

You run your ram at 1850?!? Nice! I'll have to see if I can boot up at that...I have the DDR3-1600 AData Gaming Series ram...

Again thanks for the help! Most appreciated!

1090T for life! (or until Bulldozer )

PS - I just checked...you do have a "8+1 Phase Power Design" - http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM3/M4N98TD_EVO/
Edited by fred5283 - 7/25/11 at 12:25pm
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1. 1850 is an OC for my mobo, not my ram - so be carefull is your ram is DDR3-1600. My STT DDR3-2000 Extreme Chrome Series doesn't even get warm at 1850! Take your time researching upgrades for the future.
2. Since AMD's 7xx series of SB chipsets, the 2000 rule no longer applies to HT speed. Sure it's nice if can get a good OC at 2000, but you can get a better one at 2500-2750 and still keep your NB voltage at 1.2 with HT at 1.1.
3. My mobo has an nforce 980a sli chipset and includes an NB200 chip and an MCP72 (AGP for everyone else). Research those nVidia chips on your own. I doubt I will need a bulldozer. Besides, I'm waiting for nVidia's 680 series to come out!
4. Remember your purpose and your goal and take your time. It took me over a year to get my rig where it is today and 95% of the work was research and asking questions. The other 5% was spent getting rid of the color blue!
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