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I think the ping issue is definitely overblown. It maybe just when you have the switches plate mounted, and with the springs if you type somewhat hard you could make out the sounds. I just picked up a brown filo ninja and its not giving me any issue as far as ping noise. I mean if I put my ear to the board and slam a key down and let it pop I do hear this metallic ring type of noise but nothing that I notice with typing/gaming normally.

To Stinky, I ended up getting into mech boards recently, been gaming on rubberdomes forever, usually cheap logitech ones. I used to play CS competitively way back in the day. Now I mostly play SC2 (plat) and Bad Company 2. I also did some arena in WoW back during BC and was rated in the 2200's. Anyway, I tried the razer blackwidow first and I just didn't like the gloss and overall little annoyances with the keyboard and the macro keys screwed me up. On top of that, the blues double click issue is easily noticeable in FPS. In SC2, I didn't notice it much, I guess my style of spamming allowed the blues to fully reset. However in FPS where I sometimes roll my finger from one key to another and then back rapidly, that caused issues and a lot of times certain keys wouldn't fire and I would realize because as I rolled around from key to key I wouldn't let them fully rise.

Currently I'm really impressed with the cherry browns on my filco, they are much better for all around gaming and still have a great typing experience to them. I briefly tried blacks on a friends steelseries 6gv2 and they didn't feel super stiff as I heard some say. The cherry blacks felt smooth to me, the only problem is the force required to hold the keys down, that was the deal breaker for me. Esp in FPS, my fingers felt fatigued after 4 hours of an fps session with that keyboard. In gaming when I'm really zoned in, I don't feel the bump on the browns and they just feel like a much lighter and easier to hold down cherry black.

Anyway, I might buy a Topre board now. *** lol Just be careful, these mech boards will start creeping up on you. Before you know it, you'll have a closet full.
Edited by jasonjlx - 7/21/11 at 3:39pm
post #42 of 57
Regarding the "ringing" (it's really more a ring than a ping issue), it's just a sporadic issue. That means it doesn't always happen. Even EliteKeyboards noted that in my Ping! Poll.

If your keyboard "rings" that's one thing. If it "pings" that's more likely to be normal. And in any case, it's only an issue if it personally bothers you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by elitekeyboards
Pings and squeaks? You guys are bored-er than me on a Saturday afternoon

Forewarning: I'm biased, yada yada...

- Numero Uno complaint relating to sounds emanating from FILCOs related to squeaky keys, mostly spacebars and backspaces. The frequency of complaints for the same problem in Leopolds is less or equal to that of FILCOs. Sorry, iMav blew away the EK forum when I decided not to maintain it, so a lot of search-able history relating to discussions of this have been lost.

Note that FILCOs now have greased spacebars. I guess it never occurred to the factory or the designer of FILCOs that moving parts often need greasing. It dumbfounded me to no end, but I complained for months and months, and even spec'd out grease (after they f'd it up HARD) and took photos to show the factory what needed to be done. It finally was added to production (spacebars only I'm afraid) in the Spring of 2010...and then the Rosewill copies came out...with greased SBs...and my irritation with Diatec was amplified (another story). BTW, I'm working to have Leopolds greased in the near future (I don't believe it is part of Cherry's spec) but in the meantime I recommend a silicon-based food-equipment/hobby grease if you can find it; customers can contact us for some if they aren't able to find any.

- Second complaint about board sounds related to the pings and resonance from FILCOs; 90% of the time with MX Browns. I even experienced it on my own FKB104M/EB and found in other boards that it occurred randomly and with varying degrees of volume. It is an issue that is partially inherent to mechanical switches, but is also dependent on a handful of variables, some time-varying. On a several occasions we replaced MX Brown switches that exhibited very loud resonance, sometimes to suit a picky customer, sometimes to suit my OCD, but as the problem has some time-varying properties, I gave up on this after a while.

So far, I haven't had a single complaint related to pings or resonance with Leopolds, this should be some testament to a good design, but when I do tests here in my office, I do find that, true to nature, Leopolds do have some resonance, BUT the amplitude of this resonance is quieter, and over a larger sample, Leopolds have a noticeably lower standard deviation in resonance volume than that of FILCOs. This fact should be a testament, either to the consistency present in the Leopold factory, or a design that is less sensitive to inconsistencies in environment/production. Note, however, that I've only tested tenkeyless boards out of the TW factory. I have not had an opportunity to test large numbers of the full-size Leopolds that are made in the Chinese factory.

O.K...going outside into the sun now. Have a good weekend everyone
Bottom line: Filcos still rock and are better than a lot of their competition. If they have a ringing issue, return it.
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To the OP, if you like tenkeyless take a look at the Noppoo Choc Mini, i have it with mx browns and its awesome, its my first one and im not going back to rubberdomes EVER
Next one i want to try is the KBC Poker, the detachable usb cable is a very nice feature.
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Hey keyboardlover, do you have any videos of a really bad ringing filco?

The best I could get was going to this video:


Go to 1:48 and if you have headphones turn the volume up a bit. Is this type of pinging considered normal or would this be something to return?

In the same youtube users video, he has a typing speed test with the same keyboard here:

And in there I don't hear it at all. With my ninja, like with his, if I slam the keys and put my ear close, I hear that sound but I figured that was just normal. I also hear the same sound on my blackwidow with blues if I slam a key down and let it pop quickly.
Edited by jasonjlx - 7/21/11 at 5:27pm
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The keyboard in the video sounds fine to me. I don't know who blew this whole thing out of proportion.

Maybe it was ripster?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coronado is dead View Post
That's fine, but it just sounds like a mechanical keyboard to me!
Some switches are just unnaturally pinging, nothing to do with the normal noise of a mechanical keyboard.

Listen yourself the samples I've uploaded here

http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?1...l=1#post382475
Edited by The Solutor - 7/21/11 at 9:32pm
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I have made my decision to go with the Filco Majestouch w/ Brown!

jasonjlx's reply was exactly what I was waiting for
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I have made my decision to go with the Filco Majestouch w/ Brown!

jasonjlx's reply was exactly what I was waiting for
I just got mine in today, and I love it! I can already tell I'm going to be super fast on this! Don't even have to bottom out for the keys to register. What a relief, lol!

 
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I'm so excited to get back to China and get my orders in ... After its all done im going to have my...
Filco Majestouch w/ Browns
Zowie MiCO
Razer Goliathus Control (Already Owned)
That way I can finally have some pure pwnage peripherals at my fingertips!
post #50 of 57
haha I'm in the same boat rocking the filco tkl with browns, deathadder black, and the artisan shiden mid. love this setup.

As for the pinging issue, from what I have read around here and geekhack, Ripster actually defended Filco, I think Solutor was the guy to mostly hype it. However it does seem that its possible to receive one that is really bad like the samples he has. I don't think that it is all that common. If you take a look at all the recent ninja reviews not one has an issue, think Solutor just got a bad board, happens sometimes.


Edited by jasonjlx - 7/22/11 at 5:01pm
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