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Spending a lot on TV shows and movie DVD doesn't entitle you to pirate and break the law. I guess 90% of people I know who have stopped buying their music and movies since they had access to filesharing are also boosting sales by the logic of some here.

If you want this thread flooded with people posting "well i knew this persons brother who pirated a movie and said 'i loove stealing', it's so criminal! frown.gif", then cool, by all means post more statistics about the people you know who've done a bad thing.

Anecdotes are fine, but it's silly to make broad assumptions based off of them, especially when everyone has an anecdote that will likely counter your own.
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Who has the bandwidth to download tons of movies? I don't know anyone who pirates movies. The only people pirating movies are movie enthusiasts. Most other people just use Netflix.

Music? I can see that argument. But at this point they're not going to be able to stop music filesharing no matter what they do. The business model is dead. Doesn't mean the filesharers are right, but it does mean that the record executives need to pull their heads out of their asses and try to come up with a new business model, instead of suing everyone on earth to maintain their current one.
From 11PM last night to this morning when I went to work, I used 90 GB

Netflix isn't bad but their library for streaming isn't all that great and neither is the quality. I'd rather just buy the blurays from amazon - they're generally very cheap. Netflix is a good option for most though, unless you're stuck somewhere with satellite internet or something.
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On a side note, I wonder if this will hit the media (I highly doubt it since they're all probably being paid to hush)
Sent it to engadget. It never hurts to hit the "tip us" button on your favorite news sites.
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Who has the bandwidth to download tons of movies? I don't know anyone who pirates movies. The only people pirating movies are movie enthusiasts. Most other people just use Netflix.

Music? I can see that argument. But at this point they're not going to be able to stop music filesharing no matter what they do. The business model is dead. Doesn't mean the filesharers are right, but it does mean that the record executives need to pull their heads out of their asses and try to come up with a new business model, instead of suing everyone on earth to maintain their current one.
[Insert the new Spotify for USA announcement]

Record companies are learning to embrace other means, though their overall business model will change more slowly.

the movie industry doesn't seem as phased by what a new generation of consumers demands.

Personally, I will never purchase a movie. It does nothing for me to own it. I don't even download them anymore because I learned most of them suck. So if I want to learn more, I will stream it from somewhere online, check it out, and go rent it. Netflix streaming just has no selection anymore, and forget newer releases!

And yes, I gotta get my Top Gear fix from somewhere, and it sure as hell isn't going to be from Top Gear America. Ruteledge ruins it for me, and the British humor works so much better in that format.
Edited by Nytehawk - 7/20/11 at 2:23pm
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post #25 of 31
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Who has the bandwidth to download tons of movies? I don't know anyone who pirates movies. The only people pirating movies are movie enthusiasts. Most other people just use Netflix.

Music? I can see that argument. But at this point they're not going to be able to stop music filesharing no matter what they do. The business model is dead. Doesn't mean the filesharers are right, but it does mean that the record executives need to pull their heads out of their asses and try to come up with a new business model, instead of suing everyone on earth to maintain their current one.
If they get their way it will be more profitable to sue than to evolve their business model to include online distribution. From the looks of things they are getting their way more and more each day.

Though this was "file-sharing" correct? that is technically different than just using torrents or peer-to-peer. File sharing takes time and interest to setup. So only the people with true interest would have been involved with it. Not surpirsing they would spend some cash at the movies during their downloads.

However, any dink with a broad band connection and a Dell can figure out how to get free files with peer-to-peer/torrents. That is where the lost sales come from. I can't believe that even 10% of the people that do it would ever buy the stuff they are stealing or would go to a new movie over downloading a copy with Korean sub-titles. However, there is just no way to know.

The people willing to form file sharing groups should be supported by the industry...give them a few fan samples here and there and they would probably get a return on investment.
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post #26 of 31
I'll take this with a grain of salt.

No one will admit to piracy without the promise of impunity and those that conducted this study lack the authority to make such an offer. Furthermore, it's not possible for them to do this study without the subjects knowing; therefore there's bound to be participant bias that will lead to dishonesty.

Not that I don't doubt many people sample and then buy.
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post #27 of 31
It is probably always foolish to generalize a group.
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What I don't understand is why people get bent out of shape for the people downloading the content and not the ones that rip it and distribute it.

The people that are downloading content is just an effect of the content being available. It's like going after a drug user instead of the dealer to stop drug sales, its just asinine.
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post #29 of 31
This is just more proof that piracy does not necessarily equal lost revenue.

On a related note, I have on multiple occasions paid for games that I have downloaded, and also on multiple occasions purchased the same game more than once. Just goes to show.
    
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post #30 of 31
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Who has the bandwidth to download tons of movies? I don't know anyone who pirates movies. The only people pirating movies are movie enthusiasts. Most other people just use Netflix.

Music? I can see that argument. But at this point they're not going to be able to stop music filesharing no matter what they do. The business model is dead. Doesn't mean the filesharers are right, but it does mean that the record executives need to pull their heads out of their asses and try to come up with a new business model, instead of suing everyone on earth to maintain their current one.
Bandwith isn't an issue here in France as there is no cap on any ISP as far as I know, and there's no Netflix here too. I've seen tons of people with more than 50 movies at any given time on their drives.

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If you want this thread flooded with people posting "well i knew this persons brother who pirated a movie and said 'i loove stealing', it's so criminal! ", then cool, by all means post more statistics about the people you know who've done a bad thing.

Anecdotes are fine, but it's silly to make broad assumptions based off of them, especially when everyone has an anecdote that will likely counter your own.
The great, great majority of people I know haven't bought a single DVD or CD (maybe once a year for a gift) since about 2004-2005, since programs like Emule became really popular. I know very few people of my age or even a bit older (I'm 23) that still buy movies or music, in fact most are amazed when they see me buying DVDs or Blu-rays, looking at me like I'm some sort of a strange guy and then asking me why I "waste" my money when I can get everything I want for free.
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