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Hello
I'm looking for a budget (around $230-250) display that can handle AT LEAST 75hz refresh rate at 1920x1080/1200.
It's important to me cause I see a lot of videos and movies/BDs and I want to be able to have a refresh rate multiple of 24hz. I could go for 120hz LCD but I would like to upgrade to LED backlit LCD and I doubt I can afford 120hz AND LED.

what I would like:
FULL HD 24" or 23" if price drop is a lot, that supports at least 75hz (so that with powerstrip I can set it at 72hz) or 120hz LCD.

The problem is that manufactures are very unclear about this spec, sometimes they don't even tell or they show a MAX vertical refresh rate and but then at full resolution it can't go above the useless 60hz
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I don't think there are any 75/72 Hz TFT/LCD/LED monitors... A DVI cable can only move 1920x1200 @ 60 Hz signals, while a Dual Link DVI cable can carry either 1920x1200 @ 120Hz signal OR a 2560x1600 @ 60Hz signal (and anything below, of course)

On the other hand, i'm sure good quality CRTs can do 1920x1080 @ 75 Hz, but that's not what you were looking for.

With that money you should be able to purchase a 120Hz monitor though...
post #3 of 9
I feel your pain. Took me a while to get my HDTV running well at 23.97hz w/ reclock running as well, but it looks great. I think your only real solution is probably to go with a 120hz display.

http://www.asus.com/Display/LCD_Monitors/VW266H/

Says 50-85hz vertical, but I dont know at what resolutions.
Edited by rmp459 - 7/20/11 at 11:34am
    
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I feel your pain. Took me a while to get my HDTV running well at 23.97hz w/ reclock running as well, but it looks great. I think your only real solution is probably to go with a 120hz display.

http://www.asus.com/Display/LCD_Monitors/VW266H/

Says 50-85hz vertical, but I dont know at what resolutions.
Just out of curiosity were you able to get 5:5 pulldown?

Anyway I own other Asus monitor, the quality of the display is HORRIBLE. The ASCR makes things even worse
Edited by -sandro- - 7/21/11 at 5:21am
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Originally Posted by hugo19941994 View Post
I don't think there are any 75/72 Hz TFT/LCD/LED monitors... A DVI cable can only move 1920x1200 @ 60 Hz signals, while a Dual Link DVI cable can carry either 1920x1200 @ 120Hz signal OR a 2560x1600 @ 60Hz signal (and anything below, of course)

On the other hand, i'm sure good quality CRTs can do 1920x1080 @ 75 Hz, but that's not what you were looking for.

With that money you should be able to purchase a 120Hz monitor though...

But LCD only I suppose. My current monitor supports 75hz but not at full res
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Just out of curiosity were you able to get 5:5 pulldown?

Anyway I own other Asus monitor, the quality of the display is HORRIBLE. The ASCR makes things even worse
5:5 seems to work fine on the samsung 2233rz since its a 120hz computer monitor. just 24p source on a 120hz display 120/24 = 5-> 5:5. On the samsung there is no judder and mpc-hc correctly identifies the refresh rate of the display. On the 60hz samsung panel I have next to it, you can clearly see the judder compared to the 120hz monitor and tearing as well, if vsync is off in the media player.

On my vizio, I dont see how it would be considered 5:5 since all HDTVs really only take a max of a 60hz input.

If i understand everything correctly, your only options on LCD based HDTVs w/ 24p sources are currently the following: (assuming the display can run these refresh rates)
60hz -> 3:2 (yuck)
48hz -> 2:2
24hz -> 1:1 ? (I imagine you wouldnt even call it pulldown in the case since each frame is displayed once.)

I run my vizio at 24hz when I am playing 24p material and it is perfectly smooth. If I want, I can also turn on the smoothing effect on the tv (frame interpolation) and then it just displays each frame 5 times.

AFAIK, you can only achieve true 5:5 pulldown on a display that takes a "real 120hz" input like 120hz gaming displays, not HDTVs, which are 60hz + interpolation. Otherwise, 24hz or 48hz are your best bet.

On the other hand, I think I have heard of a few plasma displays that offer 72hz (3:3) or 96hz (4:4).
Edited by rmp459 - 7/21/11 at 10:26am
    
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Don't mean to double post, but this is important in a sense.

Windows Aero must be OFF. Meaning basic theme only. Aero unforunately has its own built in vsync and it really messes w/ 24p content if you trying to achieve judder free playback.
    
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5:5 seems to work fine on the samsung 2233rz since its a 120hz computer monitor. just 24p source on a 120hz display 120/24 = 5-> 5:5. On the samsung there is no judder and mpc-hc correctly identifies the refresh rate of the display. On the 60hz samsung panel I have next to it, you can clearly see the judder compared to the 120hz monitor and tearing as well, if vsync is off in the media player.

On my vizio, I dont see how it would be considered 5:5 since all HDTVs really only take a max of a 60hz input.

If i understand everything correctly, your only options on LCD based HDTVs w/ 24p sources are currently the following: (assuming the display can run these refresh rates)
60hz -> 3:2 (yuck)
48hz -> 2:2
24hz -> 1:1 ? (I imagine you wouldnt even call it pulldown in the case since each frame is displayed once.)

I run my vizio at 24hz when I am playing 24p material and it is perfectly smooth. If I want, I can also turn on the smoothing effect on the tv (frame interpolation) and then it just displays each frame 5 times.

AFAIK, you can only achieve true 5:5 pulldown on a display that takes a "real 120hz" input like 120hz gaming displays, not HDTVs, which are 60hz + interpolation. Otherwise, 24hz or 48hz are your best bet.

On the other hand, I think I have heard of a few plasma displays that offer 72hz (3:3) or 96hz (4:4).
sorry I meant 10:10 pulldown. If it accepts 24hz inputs why wouldn't it show it at 240hz correctly if it can do the "lower" pulldowns. I'm talking about the vizio.
I think they exist anyway http://forum.blu-ray.com/3903505-post923.html
Edited by -sandro- - 7/24/11 at 10:49am
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