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I think it was Windows 3.1 but not quite sure could have been earlier. I was one of the early windows where you would start with DOS first and then launch the UI.Kind of like I do with Arch Linux now.
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Originally Posted by andrews2547 View Post
I thought all versions of MS-DOS didn't have GUI
Starting with MS-DOS 4 you had a Shell, which was kind of like a file manager with mouse support, nothing too elaborate, and most DOS users who were proficient with DOS commands didn't really use it that much.


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I think it was Windows 3.1 but not quite sure could have been earlier. I was one of the early windows where you would start with DOS first and then launch the UI.Kind of like I do with Arch Linux now.


Why do you guys keep making the mistake of calling Windows 3.1 an Operating System ?

It wasn't, it was a GUI, an Operating Environment, call it whatever you like, but it was a separate product from MS-DOS (or any other DOS for that matter), and it wouldn't run without it because DOS was the real OS that booted the PC. Windows was just another (large) program that could run programs inside.
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It wasn't, it was a GUI, an Operating Environment, call it whatever you like, but it was a separate product from MS-DOS (or any other DOS for that matter), and it wouldn't run without it because DOS was the real OS that booted the PC. Windows was just another (large) program that could run programs inside.
You have a point there so I should say DOS, it would be not different then calling X or KDE and OS for Linux.

I think because Windows is now and OS it makes it easy to make the mistake.
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BASIC 2.0 on my Commodore 64.
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Windows 95 was the first os I ever used. Oldest was DOS.
    
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You have a point there so I should say DOS, it would be not different then calling X or KDE and OS for Linux.

I think because Windows is now and OS it makes it easy to make the mistake.

It's just that because of this big confusion (lots of people on this thread calling Windows 3.1 an OS, not just you), people end up not giving importance to DOS, and what version people used. And there were many interesting DOS versions. The latest ones for example came with an Anti-virus (ha, you thought Security Essentials was the first time Microsoft thought of this ?), disk defragmenter, disk scanning, disk compression tool, memory optimizer, extensive help (with built-in help insisde each command also), a Dos Shell, etc.

As to calling X or KDE an OS for Linux, it's not quite the same.

The main distinction here is that Windows 3.1 was a separate product, sold seperately, and DOS would run perfectly without it. The main confusion is probably due to the fact that in the later years, just before Windows 95, computer makers started bundling PC's with both DOS and Windows, sometimes even putting the windows executable at the end of the autoexec.bat file so it would start automatically after the boot process was finished.

Now, you have Windows 95 and 98 and ME, which are hybrid OS'es, they are still using DOS underneath to boot, but the focus has shifted to the GUI, you can now start doing everything from there, and applications for DOS are being phased out. And most importantly, it's a single product, with a much tighter integration.

The same thing happens with Linux distributions that use X or KDE. They are designed as a single product and should be regarded as an OS. Of course you can still get yourself a command line only Linux distribution, and that is to be regarded as an OS also.
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BBC Basic.
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Starting with MS-DOS 4 you had a Shell, which was kind of like a file manager with mouse support,
Ah I see I only had DOS version 2.1 up until 1999 then I had nothing until 2002 then I had windows 98 up until I bought my own PC which had XP
   
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omg.. this will age me for sure.... SSP for IBM and Commodore BASIC 2.0 / KERNAL circa 1982. :O
    
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