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Hey guys, a friend of mine decided to upgrade from his laptop and wants a new desktop. He thought it might be cheaper to have it built for him though a site such as ibuypower and I told him he would be much happier with one he bought each part and put together himself. So I have been tasked with putting the parts together for a $1000 build including a monitor.

He needs everything except for an OS, Keyboard, and mouse for $1000 U.S.
His main need will be gaming and basic word processing for school projects. For games, it'll be used for pretty much everything, especially BF3 and Skyrim.

He wants to have the option to SLI down the road and be able to OC. I would like to add a Hyper 212+ and a couple case fans for him, but I already ran out of budget and he said he could wait until Christmas time before purchasing those.
Preferably everything is going to be ordered from Tiger Direct or Amazon.

Here is what I've came up with so far.

Case -

- $54.99
HD - - $59.99
DVD - Sony Optiarc DVD Writer - $19.99
RAM - - $37.99
PSU - -$89.99
Mobo - - $159.99
CPU - - $219.99
GPU - - $249.99
Monitor - Acer S211HL bd 22" 1920 x 1080 - $129.99

Subtotal - $1026
Shipping - $9.15
Total: $1035.15

Any help in making sure this is all compatible, deals you may find, or any knowledge you guys could help me with will be very much appreciated!

Thanks in advance,
Zac

*edit* I forgot to mention that we sadly will not be able to make it to a Microcenter for the CPU / mobo combo
Edited by Cha0s89 - 7/20/11 at 6:43pm
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Looks good to me.
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I have a few things to say.

First off, he doesn't need a 650W psu. He could easily get away with a 550W psu, so long as you find a good enough deal. Antec HCG 520W is on sale on newegg for $50 shipped right now, that would save $40.

Second, that RAM is only 1 stick of RAM. You should get a 2x2GB set of RAM, not 1 stick of 4GB. You can just get normal DDR3-1600 with high latencies. Latencies barely make a different in games, let alone RAM speed at all.

Third, I would NEVER buy a hard drive from amazon. If you look around for user images of the hard drives packaging when they arrived, it's literally a hard drive thrown into a box with basically 0 protection. I've seen amazon ship a lot of things poorly myself, even though it hasn't always been directly from amazon themselves. I've bought plenty of things which came in a decent sized box with about 1/8th the packaging material it needed. Due to this, I do not recommend buying from amazon period. I'm a tried and true newegg user because their products are ALWAYS packaged wonderfully. Packages aren't always done poorly, but I'll provide some pictures for you from other peoples surprises when they opened up their amazon packages.







    
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Wow@pictures. Truly frightening packaging on that HDD.
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Wow@pictures. Truly frightening packaging on that HDD.
Exactly...


Would the 520w be enough to get a good OC on the 2500k and be able to have 2x 560Ti's once he has the money to grab a second one?

We were looking at some Ripjaws for about $5 or so more then found the single stick and I thought it would work
If you don't mind helping me learn, why would a single stick not work?

After seeing those pictures I think I will definitely have him order the HD from Newegg. I love them and always use them also, but we thought we could save some money on shipping and taxes by buying through Amazon and Tiger Direct.


Thanks for the replies!
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Exactly...


Would the 520w be enough to get a good OC on the 2500k and be able to have 2x 560Ti's once he has the money to grab a second one?

We were looking at some Ripjaws for about $5 or so more then found the single stick and I thought it would work
If you don't mind helping me learn, why would a single stick not work?

After seeing those pictures I think I will definitely have him order the HD from Newegg. I love them and always use them also, but we thought we could save some money on shipping and taxes by buying through Amazon and Tiger Direct.


Thanks for the replies!
520W might not be enough for 2 of those cards, it may be, but it would stress the hell out of the PSU under a demanding game. 650W would be plenty of 2x GTX 560's in SLI, but there are cheaper 650W's (not meaning cheaper build quality) such as a Antec HCG 620W for $70 or Antec Neo Eco 650W for $70.

As for RAM, ripjaws are some of the more expensive sets generally. You could go with this Mushkin Blackline DDR3-1600 2x2GB set for $40. I stand by Mushkin as one of the better memory companies, owned 2 sets of their RAM personally, and used 2 more sets on other peoples builds with 0 issues over the past 3 years.

For single channel vs dual channel: Dual channel allows twice the theroctical bandwidth compared to single channel, allowing faster transfers back and forth. Tomshardware did a review about 4 years ago on single channel vs dual channel, and one of the results is at the bottom of the post (to save space, and look better). That was back with DDR2 though, DDR3 might have even bigger differences, but I'm not sure. Dual channel will make games run a little better, and will definitely speed up every other kind of program/application. So a single stick would work, just it isn't the greatest idea when you can just buy a dual channel kit for literally $2-$3 more.


    
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520W might not be enough for 2 of those cards, it may be, but it would stress the hell out of the PSU under a demanding game. 650W would be plenty of 2x GTX 560's in SLI, but there are cheaper 650W's (not meaning cheaper build quality) such as a Antec HCG 620W for $70 or Antec Neo Eco 650W for $70.
That HCG looks like it would be a good deal, especially after the $20 MiR and free shipping! I remember reading on here somewhere that PSU's are way less efficient when they reach near their limit. Would it have any effect dropping the 30W from the Corsair 650W to that Antec HCG 620W, or would that 30W be negligible and still have enough cushion for a good OC with 2x 560Ti's?


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As for RAM, ripjaws are some of the more expensive sets generally. You could go with this Mushkin Blackline DDR3-1600 2x2GB set for $40. I stand by Mushkin as one of the better memory companies, owned 2 sets of their RAM personally, and used 2 more sets on other peoples builds with 0 issues over the past 3 years.
I had originally wanted to go with Mushkin RAM because of their great reputation on this site, but after that finding that single stick cheaper we switched. Since the single stick wont be Dual Channel and the Ripjaws being more expensive than that set of Mushkin RAM, were back to the Mushkin


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For single channel vs dual channel: Dual channel allows twice the theroctical bandwidth compared to single channel, allowing faster transfers back and forth. Tomshardware did a review about 4 years ago on single channel vs dual channel, and one of the results is at the bottom of the post (to save space, and look better). That was back with DDR2 though, DDR3 might have even bigger differences, but I'm not sure. Dual channel will make games run a little better, and will definitely speed up every other kind of program/application. So a single stick would work, just it isn't the greatest idea when you can just buy a dual channel kit for literally $2-$3 more.
Thanks for the lesson! I dunno why I was thinking that Dual Channel was per stick of RAM , but that makes a lot more sense now.
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That HCG looks like it would be a good deal, especially after the $20 MiR and free shipping! I remember reading on here somewhere that PSU's are way less efficient when they reach near their limit. Would it have any effect dropping the 30W from the Corsair 650W to that Antec HCG 620W, or would that 30W be negligible and still have enough cushion for a good OC with 2x 560Ti's?
They do not become "a lot" less effecient when reaching their max, that's only if the PSU is of poor quality. A well built PSU that peaks out around 90% efficient at 40% load might be 85% efficient at 90-100% rated load. Poorly built PSU's will drop that efficiency like a rock, and will also have very wonky rail readings. 620W will be more than enough.

Antec HCG psu's are pretty stable power supplies. It'll be able to run stably if it were ever pushed to 620W. When gaming, running multiple intensive programs, or rendering, you'll almost never go beyond ~300-350W, yet if you completely stressed both the CPU and GPUs, it might ask for 450-500W, which is still only 70-80% of the total output of that 620W PSU, more than safe.
Edited by `br4dz- - 7/21/11 at 1:04pm
    
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